Recruiting Football Talk VII

[JohnnyD1024]

 

[knoxvol52]

I know. However, Dan Marino wasn't too far from the end of his career when Jimmy joined the Dolphins, and the talent surrounding him on that roster was absolute crap.

Sometimes the staff members get ignored during the Dallas run ....Johnson had ...
Sean Payton
Dave Wanstedt
Norv Turner
And the probably best OL coach in league at that time...

 

[knoxvol52]

Guy deserved it ...has done a wonderful job at JMU...

 

[Orange_Crush]

While discipline needs to be improved, the problem this season has been the lack of non-dead ball penalties of our opponents when they play us (as shown in those stats) despite the overwhelming video evidence of said penalties. The lack of enforcement of offensive holding was particularly insidious because it negated the strength of our defense.

That was my thought as well. One *may* be able to do something about the penalties called against one's team. One can't do anything about the penalties *not* called against one's opponents.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

It's a fun debate, I personally have Barry and Payton as my 1 & 2. Feel like they were just so good that you could put them in any era or behind any OL and they'd produce. I feel like Emmitt was great, but the OL he was behind that they built around him (to Dallas' credit) really helped him as well as them having a passing game that was good enough to beat teams by itself. Jim Brown I feel like he just had a physical advantage, that size and speed in the era he played in was a huge part of his success.

I think Curtis Martin gets forgotten far too often in the "best of all time" debates as well.

I always come back to Barry finishing his career with a 100 yard a game average (99.8, but rounding to closest whole number lol), 1k rushing yards in every season he played and a career 5 YPC. That's just ridiculous to do that while also having played 10 years.

Jim Brown, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, LT, Curtis Martin, etc. didn't do it.

 

[Vol423]

Sometimes the staff members get ignored during the Dallas run ....Johnson had ...
Sean Payton
Dave Wanstedt
Norv Turner
And the probably best OL coach in league at that time...

I don't ignore them. Wannstedt and Norv Turner were excellent coordinators, but horrible head coaches. Sean Payton obviously became a very successful head coach. Whomever the guys were the keys to the Cowboys talent evaluations at that time were off-the-charts good.

 

[Vol423]

It's a fun debate, I personally have Barry and Payton as my 1 & 2. Feel like they were just so good that you could put them in any era or behind any OL and they'd produce. I feel like Emmitt was great, but the OL he was behind that they built around him (to Dallas' credit) really helped him as well as them having a passing game that was good enough to beat teams by itself. Jim Brown I feel like he just had a physical advantage, that size and speed in the era he played in was a huge part of his success.

I think Curtis Martin gets forgotten far too often in the "best of all time" debates as well.

I always come back to Barry finishing his career with a 100 yard a game average (99.8, but rounding to closest whole number lol), 1k rushing yards in every season he played and a career 5 YPC. That's just ridiculous to do that while also having played 10 years.

Jim Brown, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, LT, Curtis Martin, etc. didn't do it.

Curtis Martin was a beast, but I wouldn't put him in the same stratosphere as those other guys.

 

[CAVPUT]

I wonder if we take two portal receivers?

Absolutely.

 

[JT3]

I'll just say this now, if James Pearce hits the portal then he's an IDIOT.

You're where you are because of RG and TN, there is arguably no better spot than returning to UT for coaching and spotlight. Already getting projected in the first round and the team will be getting far more hype/exposure next season with Nico starting.

There's rumors he is hitting th portal??

 

[TrippieRedd]

I'll just say this now, if James Pearce hits the portal then he's an IDIOT.

You're where you are because of RG and TN, there is arguably no better spot than returning to UT for coaching and spotlight. Already getting projected in the first round and the team will be getting far more hype/exposure next season with Nico starting.

That would get under my skin. Josephs was ahead of him last year for most of the season, IIRC. Then he talks about leaving last year because of playing time. He got way more playing time and exploded this year (like you said, thanks to RG) and now he may leave again?!? Wtf

 

[Cactus Jack]

There's rumors he is hitting th portal??

Just rumors that teams are tampering trying to get him to jump, offering 250k-500k in NIL for 1 year before the NFL.

 

[JT3]

Any idea who the opponent would be?

No clue.

 

[butchna]

I'm not disputing that the Cowboys' selections that they made with their draft picks were phenomenal. They were by far the most successful team at hitting home runs with their draft picks. It also helps to have a very large number of those draft picks though.

But Jimmy wasn’t adverse to going other routes to get that ONE PIECE he didn’t draft…thus Charles Haley happened. Key to his strategy is that for every Alexander Wright, get two Robert Jones or Tony Tolberts…nobody bats a hunnert. More draft picks helped, but the absence of true free agency and having his franchise QB in his very first draft (even tho he used the next year’s first overall picking his guy Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft…could’ve been Junior Seau) were advantages that hindered him in his next effort with the Dolphins.

 

[JT3]

Just rumors that teams are tampering trying to get him to jump, offering 250k-500k in NIL for 1 year before the NFL.

Gotcha. We will pay him and he won't leave imo. Playing Pearce and Josephs more together will be exciting next year. Especially if Big O comes back.

 

[VolGee4]

Sometimes the staff members get ignored during the Dallas run ....Johnson had ...
Sean Payton
Dave Wanstedt
Norv Turner
And the probably best OL coach in league at that time...

Payton was a Parcells' disciple. He didn't coach with the Cowboys until the early 2000's.

 

[MarcoVol]

Someone with a personal relationship with every recruit Tennessee has ever gotten out of high school in the Heupel era...

Lol he said bc a RS Fr from a different college hit the portal then that shows UT needs to play younger guys more.

He’s talking out his azz

 

[knoxvol52]

Payton was a Parcells' disciple. He didn't coach with the Cowboys until the early 2000's.

Yes you're correct...Bill Parcells despised the guy never could look at him and not see him in that damn Giants sweater...

 

[MarcoVol]

They’ve all become hyper critical and reek of entitlement. I think their information is drying up and they’re bitter

This may not be far from the truth. They clearly don’t know anything about strategy inside the program and for whatever reason they are indeed very critical. I turned it off after a few mins. Swore them off earlier this year but ran out of stuff to listen to and thought I’d dabble again. That was dumb.

 

[MarcoVol]

A guy that’s very close to a lot of our recruits. If he’s hammering that line. I’d pay attention.

No thank you

 

[knoxvol52]

What does Tennessee need this off-season out of mercenary portal?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

D Line and O Line coaches are out. Any players we want?

 

[volbeast33]

I've got news for you. There are A LOT of programs that are FAR BETTER at cheating than Tennessee, and you don't even have to look outside the SEC Conference for this statement to be true.

i agree….. we need to step up our game.

 

[teamdeke]

Beamer and Carolina are losing players left and right. Would love for someone to put a mic in front of him and ask for comments.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

As a recovered former Cowboys fanatic, just want to correct a few things:

Payton was never on Jimmys staff. He was there with Parcells in the early 2000s.

Also, Jimmy didn’t go to Miami because of Marino. Jimmy always wanted back in Florida. He wanted the Jaguars job when they were a new expansion team. He always wanted to be in Florida mostly because he was an avid fisherman. The Miami job was perfect for him.

He wanted to trade Marino and have a more heavy run game. He failed because he could never find a replacement for Marino or a quality back. I think he took John Avery thinking he would be the next Emmitt.

Jimmy had an incredible eye for defensive talent but not offense. He wanted to trade Michael Irvin after he had an acl injury. He wanted to trade Aikman and preferred his weaker arm former Hurrican QB who he took in the supplemental draft. Forget his name. And he wanted a linebacker over Emmitt but Cincinatti picked the kid almost immediately before Dallas as on the clock.

 

[butchna]

One reason he took Miami job...his name was Dan Marino...

According to his book, the bane of his time in Miami. Too storied to move on from. The reason he took on that task was he was almost checked out in football but had lived in the Keys for years and against his better instincts went one last round.