Israel vs Palestinians

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Vol8188 said:
The new story quoted an anonymous member of the police force. Not a helicopter pilot. The police force denies even being in that area. And in no way did the story imply anything intentional as you’re falsely claiming and trying to pretend the news paper supports your claim when it doesn’t.

This is your style. Lie after lie, after lie and using YouTube videos as your definitive sources.
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AM64 said:
In Ras's defense I think he believes it. The guy and maybe his generation have been radicalized against the US and our friends. To his kind we and our friends are simply evil and do all the wrong in this world.
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He’s just a partisan. No different than El. He picked a team and he follows that team. He’s not a moron but yet he can’t follow what’s been said in his response. It’s either intentional strawman or straight up lying. Either way I have no respect for the guy any longer. None whatsoever
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Israeli media and the Israeli govt haven't even produced any evidence of that.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did you not see the post where I said Hamas is winning the PR/media war? It doesn't matter if there is any sincerity behind any of it or not when it comes to media optics.
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Wait, so you do believe the videos to be sincere and that smiling hostages =not raped?

Then we return to my original comment and it’s obvious accuracy.
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Imagine being dumb enough to believe hostage videos represent people’s genuine love for their captors.
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Vol8188 said:
Imagine being dumb enough to believe hostage videos represent people’s genuine love for their captors.
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Ras is the greatest propagandist in the history of VNPF. This is known.

And yet we have posters in here that just lap it up.

And the really sad part is, if he was engaging in the exact same activity in the Ukraine thread - they would laugh him off.

But in here, he bathes the Palestinian Terrorists in righteousness, and they applaud. It’s pathetic.
 
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Has @Rasputin_Vol twisted this “friendly” exchange between a kidnapped Israeli woman and her Hamas captor?

Her husband is allegedly still being held by Palestinian terrorists. Can’t imagine how she would have acted towards her gracious captors if that wasn’t in the back of her mind…

 
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Vol8188 said:
Wait, so you do believe the videos to be sincere and that smiling hostages =not raped?

Then we return to my original comment and it’s obvious accuracy.
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Obviously by that logic our returning POWs have found being locked away and tortured in places like Hanoi exhilarating because they really seemed to light up when they came home. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with being freed, seeing family, or anything else. They were just so happy in captivity that they couldn't wipe the smiles and grins off their faces.
 
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Vol8188 said:
www.factcheck.org

Social Media Posts Misrepresent Video of IDF Aircraft Attack - FactCheck.org

At least 260 people were killed by Hamas during the militant group's surprise attacks at an outdoor music festival in Israel on Oct. 7. A video clip on social media falsely claims to show Israel Defense Forces helicopters firing on festival-goers that day. The clip is from a video of IDF...
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One thing right off the bat is that the raid on the music festival happened in daylight - started early morning, in fact. Why would helicopter footage be infrared? Makes no sense.
 
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Anyone trying to gauge, one way or the other, the reactions of recently freed prisoners is on a fool's errand. On one hand if they were treated poorly (raped, starved, tortured) the emotional response upon seeing family might not be joy because victims of such atrocities often describe the guilt and self loathing that comes with such treatment. One person may be joyous and one may be muted, embarrassed or otherwise.

If the hostage was treated well and endured a month of surviving numerous bombing attacks with their captors... they may have bonded with them via the shared experience.

My point is that there is no right or wrong emotional response to being freed after such a horrifying ordeal. Anyone attempting to judge is foolish.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Anyone trying to gauge, one way or the other, the reactions of recently freed prisoners is on a fools errand. On one hand if they were treated poorly (raped, starved, tortured) the emotional response upon seeing family might not be joy because victims of such atrocities often describe the guilt and self loathing that comes with such treatment. One person may be joyous and one may be muted, embarrassed or otherwise.

If the hostage was treated well and endured a month of surviving numerous bombing attacks with their captors... they may have bonded with them via the shared experience.

My point is that there is no right or wrong emotional response to being freed after such a horrifying ordeal. Anyone attempting to judge is foolish.
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Also the possibly they’re being forced in some way to show positive emotion. But I agree with you
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Anyone trying to gauge, one way or the other, the reactions of recently freed prisoners is on a fool's errand. On one hand if they were treated poorly (raped, starved, tortured) the emotional response upon seeing family might not be joy because victims of such atrocities often describe the guilt and self loathing that comes with such treatment. One person may be joyous and one may be muted, embarrassed or otherwise.

If the hostage was treated well and endured a month of surviving numerous bombing attacks with their captors... they may have bonded with them via the shared experience.

My point is that there is no right or wrong emotional response to being freed after such a horrifying ordeal. Anyone attempting to judge is foolish.
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Not to mention that for multiple hostages released, their true feelings and emotions are further obfuscated by who was not released along with them.

The Israeli woman in the video above. Her husband remains in the hands of Hamas, on his knees somewhere in Gaza.

What is she going to do, or others in her situation? What are they going to say? There loved ones are still being held at the end of a barrel.
 
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Hamas Ghouls Parade Distressed Captive Father Of Dead Ten-Month-Old Hostage Kfir Bibas in New Video - as they say Israel is refusing to take the bodies of the tragic baby, his four year old brother and their mother​


Hamas has claimed Israel is refusing to take back the bodies of the Bibas family, including 10-month-old Kfir.

The terror group said in a statement, along with a heartbreaking video of father Yarden Bibas, shared to its Telegram channel: 'The resistance offered to hand over the three bodies, but the occupation government refused to receive them and is still maneuvering and bargaining.'

Yarden, 34, was seen distraught and weeping as he said: 'Bibi (Netanyahu) your airstrike took away my beloved family, now do what you can to bring them home so they can be buried at home.

MailOnline is not publishing the video.

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With his red hair and toothless smile, Kfir's (pictured) harrowing ordeal has become for many a symbol of the brutality of Hamas' attack on October 7

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Hamas claims Israel refusing to accept bodies of Bibas family

Yarden, 34, was seen distraught and weeping as he said: 'Bibi (Netanyahu) your airstrike took away my beloved family, now do what you can to bring them home so they can be buried at home
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