Recruiting Football Talk VII

[volsagain]

Agree. Joe has played more CFB than 99.9% of the members on the board.

But has he flown to Oklahoma for a game ?

 

[FollowTheLeader]

Hubbs saying that Banks is back next year unless he gets a better job offer/opportunity elsewhere

He is back because he's improved the defense year after year, so he was never on the hot seat, despite the message board rants.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Hubbs saying that Banks is back next year unless he gets a better job offer/opportunity elsewhere

That sucks. He isn't good.

 

[JacketVol]

Why did they have a great portal year and we didn't? Is that not part of his job, to get players in? How many more years does he need? I don't see an influx of talent that will make much of a difference next year, year 4. Does he need 5,6,7 years? I'm glad we dont have the same standards for Josh's offense. My guess he's gone after this year. At least that's my hope.

Please clarify. Whose gone?

 

[Weezer]

Hubbs saying that Banks is back next year unless he gets a better job offer/opportunity elsewhere

@InVOLuntary

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

VQ says Vols will be going "heavy" in the portal this year

hope we have the war chest loaded up

Fun!

Portal recruiting is more fun than regular ol' crootin'.

Immediate impact! Hoe enticing!

Spread that orange propaganda Heup! Reel them in!

 

[Jimmy Football]

VQ says Vols will be going "heavy" in the portal this year

hope we have the war chest loaded up

If you aren’t a select few teams (and you all know the ones) or you don’t happen to have your roster situation line up in just the right way, you pretty much have to go heavy in the portal, these days.

 

[Weezer]

Hubbs saying that Banks is back next year unless he gets a better job offer/opportunity elsewhere

But did he say anything about Willie???

 

[BigSteve09]

AP hinting that we already have some (good) guys that have reached out about coming to Tennessee that have not entered the portal yet.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

AP hinting that we already have some (good) guys that have reached out about coming to Tennessee that have not entered the portal yet.

I'm hoping Nico is half as good as he should be. Players want to play with someone who can get them the ball. If Nico has good practice film we need to sell it.

 

[Weezer]

My niece just delivered a baby.







I knew she had it in her.

If this were Alabama, you probably would have put it there.....

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

With the exception of Garner staying, a whole new defensive staff I wouldn’t be mad at all.

Hope Banks gets snatched up for HC gig and Willie gets fired.

 

[Orange_Crush]

(1) Ive done the analysis, you've either ignored it or missed it. (1) You've admitted that the defense is not good, you've simply made excuses in the form of roster. That's really your only argument. (3) I've asked you at least 3 times when we should expect to see even an * average defense. (4) You said I used hyperbole when I asked if it should be year 5, 6, or 7. (5) That shows how short sided you are. (6) Next year is year 4. We lose a lot of contributors this year. (7) I don't expect much of an improvement next year so that puts us in year 5. (8) So I ask again, 5, 6, or 7? (9) Chances are, if Nico is what he's billed as, we'll be breaking a new qb in in year 6.

And your comment that i could be right but it wouldn't be because I did the appropriate analysis is hilarious. (10) I do own a business and I usually don't do some kind of statical analysis to fire someone. When they do a ****** job, I fire them.

(1) Where? Your argument has basically been that you're impatient and want it fast, while ignoring the nuances of what it takes to reach the goal.

(2) Because the roster leaves a lot to be desired. You have to judge performance against the tools they've been given to do the job.

The staff took over a roster of 67 players, few of which would have started at any other SEC school. They had to remedy this by recruiting under a cloud of major NCAA investigations, negative recruiting, and self-imposed penalties, even before the NCAA brought down a ruling.

They've laned some talent, but in year three, there's obviously been little time to develop many starters or depth.

To top it all off, there's been injuries at positions of critically shallow depth, creating mismatches for better programs to take advantage of.

(3) You're asking me to do your job for you. I'm not calling to fire anyone, so I've not made the argument to fire anyone.

* Again, I'm not sure you've done the analysis beyond some entitled, invented standard. I think we have seen an average defense.

Out of 135 schools:

Total defense has been top-50 while playing more snaps than anyone else. I think that's actually above average.

Did you know that we're tied in top-10 for defensive touchdowns?

We are top-50 in scoring defense. (All with massive roster mismatches, while playing more snaps than most anyone, in one of the toughest conferences in the country.)

You've just watched teams move the ball on us, got mad, and decide on your own personal standard without really asking, "Was the expectation reasonable?". You asked for miracles, and denied average. That's irrational.

(4) Because it was hyperbole. We're not even through year three and you posted as though there would be no improvement by year 5.

It's similar to you claiming that the team isn't any better in year three than "when Heupel took over". See my above description, and consider the fact that he's coached us to two consecutive records that rate as the best we've seen in 15 or so years. (That timeframe includes "when Heupel took over". It's obvious the team is better than when he took over. You just get angry and impatient, and post nonsense.)

(5) That shows that I refuse to operate based on assumptions.

(6) That was my point, per hyperbole.

(7) OK. I'm not here to define your assumptions for you. Just so you know it's your assumptions stated as facts ("that puts us...")

(8) I won't operate on assumptions.

(9) I think you've confused Banks' responsibilities.

(10) That's pretty sad, that you'd fire people without due diligence of establishing expectations. See point 2b.

Not once have you performed the analysis of what Banks has been dealing with, or performed an analysis of his performance vs the resources he was given. If you fire people in this way at your company, you're an incredibly ***** boss.

(But you don't. I am convinced you don't do this at your company, therefore you're not a ***** boss. I highly suspect you are not as bull-headed when managing your people as you are firing coaches on an anonymous internet board.)

 

[Jackcrevol]

My niece just delivered a baby.







I knew she had it in her.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Any hints?

Nope

 

[JacketVol]

Problem is they don’t play the talent and lean on seniority and it’s bit them this year. 8-4 (hopefully) is a good season, but when you look at the losses all being blowouts it shows we are still far behind. And we aren’t recruiting difference makers on defense except the defensive line. DBs and LBs don’t look well coached and talent is lacking after three years. Love Heup and the offensive staff, I think a lot of woes go away once Milton is gone. But we need changes to the defensive staff or we will struggle again next year.

How would the team look if we had not got those 30 seniors back. He was in a tough spot. Could’ve had a roster of 15 seniors and 9 juniors and 11 sophomores with 33 freshman. 24 upper classmen and 68 players and those include the portal guys we got. 2021 killed us with 4 left in class. They had to do what they did and play what they did or we would’ve looked at 5 wins and been screwed for awhile. Hard to play D with the talent level and numbers they were stuck with and an O scoring 16 instead of 36-45 TD’s. The reason we got blown out in these last two games is we are a physically decimated team. I felt like you until I saw the class breakdown. This was the year it was going to hurt and next year, we better stay healthy and get some OL. McGill tried to tell us but we didn’t listen. He was right.

 

[peaygolf]

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What?

 

[SugarCC]

AP hinting that we already have some (good) guys that have reached out about coming to Tennessee that have not entered the portal yet.

He said this morning, that he's talked to some of the guys from the 22 class, that went elsewhere, and they have told him they wished they'd picked UT. Said the investigation played a significant role.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

VQ says Vols will be going "heavy" in the portal this year

hope we have the war chest loaded up

I don’t think Heupel is happy at all. They expected some to grow and others to play better and it didn’t happen. I think it’s a great sign. They want to win and win now.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Hubbs saying that Banks is back next year unless he gets a better job offer/opportunity elsewhere

Ask about Willie

 

[Orange_Crush]

He said this morning, that he's talked to some of the guys from the 22 class, that went elsewhere, and they have told him they wished they'd picked UT. Said the investigation played a significant role.

Impossible. I read here that a NCAA pay-for-play investigation and negative recruiting wouldn't have affected recruiting.

 

[UTgrad2015]

All of these nugs are getting my juices flowing today


Yes yes TWSS yada yada

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

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Tyson Helton this thing….

 

[Jimmy Football]

Nugg season officially open.

 

[InVOLuntary]

(1) Where? Your argument has basically been that you're impatient and want it fast, while ignoring the nuances of what it takes to reach the goal.

(2) Because the roster leaves a lot to be desired. You have to judge performance against the tools they've been given to do the job.

The staff took over a roster of 67 players, few of which would have started at any other SEC school. They had to remedy this by recruiting under a cloud of major NCAA investigations, negative recruiting, and self-imposed penalties, even before the NCAA brought down a ruling.

They've laned some talent, but in year three, there's obviously been little time to develop many starters or depth.

To top it all off, there's been injuries at positions of critically shallow depth, creating mismatches for better programs to take advantage of.

(3) You're asking me to do your job for you. I'm not calling to fire anyone, so I've not made the argument to fire anyone.

* Again, I'm not sure you've done the analysis beyond some entitled, invented standard. I think we have seen an average defense.

Out of 135 schools:

Total defense has been top-50 while playing more snaps than anyone else. I think that's actually above average.

Did you know that we're tied in top-10 for defensive touchdowns?

We are top-50 in scoring defense. (All with massive roster mismatches, while playing more snaps than most anyone, in one of the toughest conferences in the country.)

You've just watched teams move the ball on us, got mad, and decide on your own personal standard without really asking, "Was the expectation reasonable?". You asked for miracles, and denied average. That's irrational.

(4) Because it was hyperbole. We're not even through year three and you posted as though there would be no improvement by year 5.

It's similar to you claiming that the team isn't any better in year three than "when Heupel took over". See my above description, and consider the fact that he's coached us to two consecutive records that rate as the best we've seen in 15 or so years. (That timeframe includes "when Heupel took over". It's obvious the team is better than when he took over. You just get angry and impatient, and post nonsense.)

(5) That shows that I refuse to operate based on assumptions.

(6) That was my point, per hyperbole.

(7) OK. I'm not here to define your assumptions for you. Just so you know it's your assumptions stated as facts ("that puts us...")

(8) I won't operate on assumptions.

(9) I think you've confused Banks' responsibilities.

(10) That's pretty sad, that you'd fire people without due diligence of establishing expectations. See point 2b.

Not once have you performed the analysis of what Banks has been dealing with, or performed an analysis of his performance vs the resources he was given. If you fire people in this way at your company, you're an incredibly ***** boss.

(But you don't. I am convinced you don't do this at your company, therefore you're not a ***** boss. I highly suspect you are not as bull-headed when managing your people as you are firing coaches on an anonymous internet board.)

Lol, still no answer. 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10? I'm not doing your work for you either.

I've seen all I need to see. 7 straight possessions, 7 straight touchdowns against a bad SC team. But, but, but sign were stole.

Has Mizzou punted yet? But they're roster is better. They did better in the portal.

All the stats are meaningless because they were against scrub teams.

We'll see whose proven to be right. I don't think asking for a defense that can stop mother Teresa is asking a whole lot after 3 years. With NIL and the portal, it shouldn't take that long. But keep the faith.