Recruiting Football Talk VII

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headhunter15 said:


Who do you want to see back? I could see Mays, Spraggins, & Simmons staying.
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There are only a few of those who I would be fine if they moved on. We need all the OL and DL we can get, so take every single one of those back. I wonder if maybe they know Nico is the truth and that if they came back, we might have a really good chance to make noise, especially with 12 team playoff.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't think the wheels are falling off by any means. I posted earlier that the record isn't what people are pointing to, it's the way we lost. We got blown out of all our losses, not competitive against any team with a pulse.

The problem this year was lack of good QB play and another, 3rd year of a bad defense. It's my opinion we will never compete for anything meaningful as long as Tim Banks is the DC.

For this year to be a success, we needed the defense to take a step forward to offset some lost production on offense. That didn't happen. If you look at next year, while I think the offense will improve with Nico, it's not likely to be running on all cylinders. If we portal, similar to last year, I don't see the defense making significant strides. Sure, recruiting is trending the right way but we're still middle of the SEC at #7. Also, those players can't be counted on to contribute significantly as true freshman.

My point is, how long does Banks need to field a competent defense. If he doesn't next year, then can we expect year 5?
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Personally, I think you've forgotten the state of the program that the coaches inherited, and have been trying to manage. What was it? A 67 player roster, I think? With the threat of major violations hanging as a shadow over recruiting?

They've done well trying to recruit and cover that so far, all things considered, but the results on the field will not be linear per performance-- i.e. I don't think you can expect linear performance results from freshmen and sophomores from year to year, whether offense or defense. Moreso, I expect you'd see delayed, more rapid results as skilled starters and quality backups get experience and familiarity.

I've historically seen you as a quality poster, but your most recent basically come across as simple impatience. We all knew by the state of the program when Proo-It was fired that it would be a long, long, scary and brutal rebuild. Well, even with 8-4 this year and some ugly losses, it's outpaced anything I would have dared dream at the time.

And still, we have messageboard geniuses wanting to fire coaches. SMH.

It's impatience, plain and simple, as opposed to rational, reasonable expectations.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Personally, I think you've forgotten the state of the program that the coaches inherited, and have been trying to manage. What was it? A 67 player roster, I think? With the threat of major violations hanging as a shadow over recruiting?

They've done well trying to recruit and cover that so far, all things considered, but the results on the field will not be linear per performance-- i.e. I don't think you can expect linear performance results from freshmen and sophomores from year to year, whether offense or defense. Moreso, I expect you'd see delayed, more rapid results as skilled starters and quality backups get experience and familiarity.

I've historically seen you as a quality poster, but your most recent basically come across as simple impatience. We all knew by the state of the program when Proo-It was fired that it would be a long, long, scary and brutal rebuild. Well, even with 8-4 this year and some ugly losses, it's outpaced anything I would have dared dream at the time.

And still, we have messageboard geniuses wanting to fire coaches. SMH.

It's impatience, plain and simple, as opposed to rational, reasonable expectations.
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So 5,6,7 years to field a competent defense?

Did Mizzou or FL have better players or coaches?

Why is the automatic go to is to throw the players under the bus rather than the coaches who get millions to field a team?
 
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headhunter15 said:


Who do you want to see back? I could see Mays, Spraggins, & Simmons staying.
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Cooper Mays
Javontz Spraggins
John Campbell
Bru McCoy
Dont’e Thornton
Tyler Baron
Omari Thomas
Elijah Simmons
Keenan Pili (med RS)
Doneiko Slaughter
Gabe Jeudy-Lally
Tamarin McDonald
 
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any shot still with the kid who was trending to us and then went out to USC and committed? Lincoln get a lot of bad press and USC not doing well, maybe he's seeing UT may be looking like a better option... unless it's a $$ thing.
 
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gordonr24 said:


I’ve never seen a holiday tournament field this stacked. And this is great for the program to get these early tests and to build a resume for March If UT can win the next 2 games, they may very well be #1 next week.
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Line on game this morning was Purdue favored by 3...assuming it's the Edey factor...has to be...
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So 5,6,7 years to field a competent defense?
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We're not near that now. We're three years in, so we'll add hyperbole to the accusation of impatience.

But we won't do well by giving into impatience, firing coached, adding chaos and instability, and resetting the clock.

But again, what you're doing here is complaining about timeline as opposed to breaking down the components that would dictate a reasonable timeline. That's symptomatic of impatience as opposed to rational analysis.

You own a company that builds boats. I can't imagine you managing in this way.

"So, what you're telling me is that there have been catastrophic interruptions to the supply chain and we just can't get parts B, F, H S, T, W, Y, and Z. You've worked your ass off to try to get them, but we just can't get them for four years. So, you've worked your ass off to get them, but also designed boat models that we can build in the meantime."

"OK. You're fired and I'll go shout at the ceiling while I wait for the next person I hire, who probably won't be able to do any better, and probably won't take the job anyway because they're good at their job, won't be desperate enough to work for a boss that fired the last guy for irrational expectations and manages via shouting at the ceiling."

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InVOLuntary said:
Did Mizzou or FL have better players or coaches?

Why is the automatic go to is to throw the players under the bus rather than the coaches who get millions to field a team?
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They may have had better players at key matchups. That's in large part what football is: Get good players, scheme to either hide or take advantage of matchup disadvantages. Can't always hide them, especially when they are just blatant.

Look, I'm not trying to be rude because I genuinely like you a lot. You're a great poster that I think is just impatient in this area, and it's probably a sign of great love for the program. That's not a bad thing. But...

You're making general assumptions and asking general questions to support them.

"Shouldn't we be better by now?"

Not sure. I doubt it, considering the starting point and the imposed process of remedying the problems faced at the starting point.

"Did they have better players or better coaching?"

Not sure. If it's that important to you, you should probably do more detailed analysis and breakdown of particular matchups that hurt us, and maybe even potential matchups that were(?) available but the staff missed.

I haven't done any of that, so you may well be right that we need to fire Banks. But I'm not convinced, considering the state of the program when he was hired, and the imposed slow process of repair. I'm at a place of remembering the crater we were in three years ago, so I've defaulted to thankfulness and patience.

You seem to have defaulted to impatience. You may be right. But I think more detailed analysis is in order to show either way.

Lastly, why does there have to be a "bus"? Why does anyone need to get run over right now? It could be that we have good players that we should be thankful for staying with the program through a hard season. They may be outmatched at times, but we still appreciate them.

And we may have really good coaches that are doing the best job with the progam as it now stands. That may be reality, and we just have to be patient.

Why demand someone get run over? Why demand a bus for anyone right now?

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matt_mccoy19 said:
We all thought the Titans were smarter than to hire from within for OC after that horrible year last year, but they did
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Vrabel wanted Tim Kelly before he hired downing, but the Texans wouldn’t let him interview him. So the obvious choice all along was Kelly because that’s who he wanted to begin with
 
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matt_mccoy19 said:
We all thought the Titans were smarter than to hire from within for OC after that horrible year last year, but they did
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No we didnt.

Here we see the Titans GM trying to motivate his team. Its really comical, because its absolutely effing crystal clear to every non Titan fan, what ownership wants. And yes, its the real world 'personification' for lack of better terms, of that very idea.

You aint goin' back tuh Houston, idgits.
 

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headhunter15 said:


Who do you want to see back? I could see Mays, Spraggins, & Simmons staying.
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Definitely
Cooper Mays
Javontez Spraggins
John Campbell
Bru McCoy
Dont'e Thornton
Tyler Baron
Omari Thomas
Elijah Simmons
Doneiko Slaughter

Maybe
Jabari Small - Depends on if there's a better back in the portal. Small is consistent and knows the playbook.
Keenan Pili
Gabe Jeudy-Lally
Wesley Walker
Tamarion McDonald

The maybe's depend on what we could possibly get in the portal.
 
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