Israel vs Palestinians

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NashVol11 said:
Don't let me stop you, "From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is definitely extremely threatening and a basis for deportation
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That's not my argument. I havent even commented on the whole visa subject. I am asking you directly what that statement means? Quit avoiding and just answer the simple question.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It's his style. Much easier to defeat random strawmen than to address specific questions.
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NashVol11 said:
"The main question" is whether people should be kicked out of the country for participating in a pro-Palestinian protest. Unless you are saying that "from the river to the sea" should get someone kicked out of the country, I think you are confused about what the "strawman" is
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Hello, strawman :)
 
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NashVol11 said:
"The main question" is whether people should be kicked out of the country for participating in a pro-Palestinian protest. Unless you are saying that "from the river to the sea" should get someone kicked out of the country, I think you are confused about what the "strawman" is
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I'm asking you if saying that Israel should not exist (that's what "from the river to the sea" means) is closer to a call for genocide or is it simply "Pro-Palestinian"?
 
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jp1 said:
That's not my argument. I havent even commented on the whole visa subject. I am asking you directly what that statement means? Quit avoiding and just answer the simple question.
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It's a ****ing rhyme saying free Palestine, and at absolute worst is saying the land should be Palestine instead of Israel like it was for a very long time. None of that is "kill the Jews" or "ethnic cleansing" lol
 
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NashVol11 said:
It's a ****ing rhyme saying free Palestine, and at absolute worst is saying the country should be Palestine instead of Israel like it was for a very long time. None of that is "kill the Jews" or "ethnic cleansing" lol
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So when they say there should be a 1 state solution and the only state should be Palestine, what do you think they intend to do with those Jews?
 
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NashVol11 said:
It's a ****ing rhyme saying free Palestine, and at absolute worst is saying the land should be Palestine instead of Israel like it was for a very long time. None of that is "kill the Jews" or "ethnic cleansing" lol
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I don't see how that is your interpretation, but fair enough I guess.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So when they say there should be a 1 state solution and the only state should be Palestine, what do you think they intend to do with those Jews?
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Definitely exterminate all of them and wipe out the population, just like what happened to the Palestinians when Israel was created, right? Not a single Jew lived in Palestine pre-Israel
 
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NashVol11 said:
Definitely exterminate all of them and wipe out the population, just like what happened to the Palestinians when Israel was created, right? Not a single Jew lived in Palestine pre-Israel
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You lost me here, because the end doesn't fit with the rest of your statement. The bold is sarcasm right?
 
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NashVol11 said:
It's sarcasm. Jews lived in Palestine before but now the existence of Palestine "means every Jew would be exterminated"
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Yet the government of Hamas now specifically calls for the extermination of Jews. But if we gave them full control you believe they would change their mind. Can you explain how that works?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yet the government of Hamas now specifically calls for the extermination of Jews. But if we gave them full control you believe they would change their mind. Can you explain how that works?
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Saying "from the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" equals calling for Holocaust part II because they want Hamas to be in charge of the region blah blah blah is such a reach
 
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NashVol11 said:
Saying "from the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" equals calling for Holocaust part II because they want Hamas to be in charge of the region blah blah blah is such a reach
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The government calls for genocide and you’re saying you want that to be the only government when you say from the river to the sea.

Seems like a logical conclusion rather than the reach you’re trying to make it into.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The government calls for genocide and you’re saying you want that to be the only government when you say from the river to the sea.

Seems like a logical conclusion rather than the reach you’re trying to make it into.
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Who said this? Is that part of the chant?
 
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Question is whether people should be deported for participating in a pro-Palestine protest. Why so many strawmen?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Question is whether people should be deported for participating in a pro-Palestine protest. Why so many strawmen?
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Asking a different question isn’t a strawman. You should learn the term. If that’s how it worked talking about deportation in a thread that’s not about immigration would be a strawman on your part.
 
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This might be the best journalism going on right now. Re-sharing a couple and sharing the latest.

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Israel at War: Why Did Hamas Attack?

What motivated the Hamas terrorist attack? How did Israel fail to stop it? And what should Americans know about the state of Israel’s chaotic internal politics?
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The Tragedy of Picking Sides in the Israel-Palestine Conflict

Author Peter Beinart joins Derek to further discuss the war between Israel and Hamas
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Israel Has No Good Options

Georgetown University professor Daniel Byman, one of the world’s leading researchers on terrorism, counterterrorism, and Israel’s military, joins to discuss the failings of Israel’s current strategy
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NashVol11 said:
So no, we are just adding things so we can be more offended by a protest we don't like
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Or we are making simple inferences into the meaning of a statement. If Palestine is "from the river to the sea", that means there is no Israel. Yes, that would end in genocide.
 
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Did a little brief research on the phrase "from the river to the sea". I don't know much about the subject or the ME so just wanted to try to learn a bit about it.

Pro-Palestinians claim it's about freedom

Pro-Israelis claim it's anti-Semitic

Hamas claims it's about freedom and getting their land back


The problem I see is that Hamas also calls for the extermination of Israelis.


With that being said, It's probably not the best phrase to use if you are simply pro-Palestinian.

Doesn't really seem that complicated to understand.
 
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