SEC coaches draft

[Franklin_Vol09]

Here is a question that was proposed to me and several others this past weekend. Interested to see what others think.

If all the SEC schools had their coaches in a pool and there was a coaches draft AND Tennessee had the first pick….who would you take. This draft takes place today so all the benefits are moving forward and not the past.

There isn’t anyone I would take over CJH.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Here is a question that was proposed to me and several others this past weekend. Interested to see what others think.

If all the SEC schools had their coaches in a pool and there was a coaches draft AND Tennessee had the first pick….who would you take. This draft takes place today so all the benefits are moving forward and not the past.

There isn’t anyone I would take over CJH.

I mean I hate Kirby, I absolutely despise him, but it's hard to say you wouldn't want him as your head coach after what he's done at Georgia.

 

[VolBricks]

I am drafting Lame Kitten as he is the most amazing coach we could have

 

[Doberman]

Kirby easily.

Curse you for even posing a question that forced that answer.

 

[Jaxon_Vol2017]

There's no way you wouldn't pick Smart first. Results speak for themselves.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

I will say on the Kirby thing (and I also answered Kirby in this thread), I would be interested to know how good he actually is on a level playing field. He has more talent than the team he's playing against 95% of the time.

In 2016 he didn't and he was 8-5. He's also lost some games to far less talented teams. It's really hard to tell if he's actually a great coach, or just consistently has much better players.

 

[J C Higgins]

I will say on the Kirby thing (and I also answered Kirby in this thread), I would be interested to know how good he actually is on a level playing field. He has more talent than the team he's playing against 95% of the time.

In 2016 he didn't and he was 8-5. He's also lost some games to far less talented teams. It's really hard to tell if he's actually a great coach, or just consistently has much better players.

"It's really hard to tell if he's actually a great coach, or just consistently has much better players."

This.....and IMO this goes for Saban also.

 

[General Jack]

"It's really hard to tell if he's actually a great coach, or just consistently has much better players."

This.....and IMO this goes for Saban also.

NIL will kill Saban just like Prop 48 killed Nebraska.

 

[vik]

Here is a question that was proposed to me and several others this past weekend. Interested to see what others think.

If all the SEC schools had their coaches in a pool and there was a coaches draft AND Tennessee had the first pick….who would you take. This draft takes place today so all the benefits are moving forward and not the past.

There isn’t anyone I would take over CJH.

Would love to see how General Neyland would compete today. He was quite an innovator.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

I picked CJH because we all saw what he did last year with a “better than average but not great” talent team.

Kirby would be the only other choice. However, let’s take Kirby and CJH…..who would have better results at Vanderbilt? We all know that would be CJH. So I feel like he is the better coach.

 

[orangemadam]

Recruiting is a part of coaching, so I would definitely go with Kirby

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

I will say on the Kirby thing (and I also answered Kirby in this thread), I would be interested to know how good he actually is on a level playing field. He has more talent than the team he's playing against 95% of the time.

In 2016 he didn't and he was 8-5. He's also lost some games to far less talented teams. It's really hard to tell if he's actually a great coach, or just consistently has much better players.

I think it’s 100% he has better players than almost any team they’re playing. He’s only 1-4 against Saban and frankly Ohio State should have beat them last season. He’s not very good head to head against teams with equal talent.

 

[wtmvol]

Clark Lea for life!

 

[tobybeast]

A few years ago it would have been a tie between Smart and Saban. That was before Heupel. With current circumstances, I think Saban is past his coaching prime and I am not sure that Smart is a coach that leads a down program back to prominence. I like Heupel. With the way he has handled things at UT, he has shown to be a good coach and to do great things with less tallent. My vote is Heupel!

 

[Midas]

I mean I hate Kirby, I absolutely despise him, but it's hard to say you wouldn't want him as your head coach after what he's done at Georgia.

He had the easiest possible journey to a national title of any coach in recent memory. If you’re the head coach of UGA you’ve usually got first dibs on instate talent which is arguably the best in the country. I grew up in Gwinnett county which at one point had the most pro athletes and NFL players per capita in the country and probably still do today. Most of the kids there grow up UGA fans. When he took over Georgia I think they came off a 8 win season but for the most part were already super close to winning under Richt and had mostly 9-11 win seasons under him. Imagine if Heupel took over that job I think there’d be a pretty good chance he’d have similar success.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

I mean I hate Kirby, I absolutely despise him, but it's hard to say you wouldn't want him as your head coach after what he's done at Georgia.

I'd take Heupel over Kirby.

Kirby has out-talented the rest of the SEC, which is relatively easy to do at UGa. I doubt he has anywhere close to the same results at somewhere like Mississippi State or Mizzou. I do think he's a good college coach, but if you put him in the NFL where there's more parity, I think he'd get his butt handed to him on a regular basis. Keep the same players, but switch Heupel and Kirby as coaches, with Heup at UGa and Kirby here, Georgia still wins the national titles, but I doubt Kirby does anywhere near as well as Heupel did here.

I also think people are greatly underestimating how important Todd Monken was. Georgia's offense was never great before Monken and now it's taken a step back without him. Monken was perfect for Kirby, because he offset his weaknesses.

Saban is #1, but given that he's 71 years old, I'd take Heupel over him as well.

Kiffin is the real debate IMO. Ole Miss is a mid-tier SEC job and Kiffin has outperformed there. Personality-wise, I'd take Heupel over Kiffin, but it's a legit debate on who is a better coach.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I would take Josh, too.

Saban is the past. Smart is the present. Heupel is the future.

I want what's coming.

Go Vols!

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I will say on the Kirby thing (and I also answered Kirby in this thread), I would be interested to know how good he actually is on a level playing field. He has more talent than the team he's playing against 95% of the time.

In 2016 he didn't and he was 8-5. He's also lost some games to far less talented teams. It's really hard to tell if he's actually a great coach, or just consistently has much better players.

Good grief are you serious? Question for you. Let’s say Heupel goes on a recruiting and winning run like Kirby has. Will you be questioning him as a coach?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

He had the easiest possible journey to a national title of any coach in recent memory. If you’re the head coach of UGA you’ve usually got first dibs on instate talent which is arguably the best in the country. I grew up in Gwinnett county which at one point had the most pro athletes and NFL players per capita in the country and probably still do today. Most of the kids there grow up UGA fans. When he took over Georgia I think they came off a 8 win season but for the most part were already super close to winning under Richt and had mostly 9-11 win seasons under him. Imagine if Heupel took over that job I think there’d be a pretty good chance he’d have similar success.

Good grief

 

[scottchatt]

I'd take Heupel over Kirby.

Kirby has out-talented the rest of the SEC, which is relatively easy to do at UGa. I doubt he has anywhere close to the same results at somewhere like Mississippi State or Mizzou. I do think he's a good college coach, but if you put him in the NFL where there's more parity, I think he'd get his butt handed to him on a regular basis. Keep the same players, but switch Heupel and Kirby as coaches, with Heup at UGa and Kirby here, Georgia still wins the national titles, but I doubt Kirby does anywhere near as well as Heupel did here.

I also think people are greatly underestimating how important Todd Monken was. Georgia's offense was never great before Monken and now it's taken a step back without him. Monken was perfect for Kirby, because he offset his weaknesses.

Saban is #1, but given that he's 71 years old, I'd take Heupel over him as well.

Kiffin is the real debate IMO. Ole Miss is a mid-tier SEC job and Kiffin has outperformed there. Personality-wise, I'd take Heupel over Kiffin, but it's a legit debate on who is a better coach.

Honest question about Kiffin…..as a head coach, what’s his signature win? I would say his best performance to date is beating LSU in week 5, but I’m not sure LSU is any good. It seems like he wins most of the ones he is supposed to win, loses all the ones against better teams.

To me a great coach steals some wins. Kiffin doesn’t. He’s a great recruiter and even better promoter, but as a head coach……meh.

 

[Vols1313]

"It's really hard to tell if he's actually a great coach, or just consistently has much better players."

This.....and IMO this goes for Saban also.

I would argue Kirby has the best recruiting ground in the country , if you wanna play for your in state school where else would you go ? Tech ? Georgia state ? Texas has a lot of talent but a lot of schools in state competing same with California and Florida . If we had him at TN would he be able to consistently land those players. I’ve said about Saban for years he is a great CEO but idk how good of a coach he is when the playing field is level he was able to stockpile players where his second string guys were better than a lot of the teams he would play .

 

[General Jack]

Honest question about Kiffin…..as a head coach, what’s his signature win? I would say his best performance to date is beating LSU in week 5, but I’m not sure LSU is any good. It seems like he wins most of the ones he is supposed to win, loses all the ones against better teams.

To me a great coach steals some wins. Kiffin doesn’t. He’s a great recruiter and even better promoter, but as a head coach……meh.

Kiffin outcoached Florida, Georgia and Alabama in his one year at Tennessee. We just didn't have the horses to close the deal against Florida and bama.

He also coached Crompton from being a worm burning ninja to getting drafted in the NFL. I'll always be salty at Kiffin for opening the door to the Dooley, Jones, Pruitt era, but I thought he was a very good coach.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

I mean I hate Kirby, I absolutely despise him, but it's hard to say you wouldn't want him as your head coach after what he's done at Georgia.

Kirby started with a team already filled with 4 and 5 star players. He also has the most fertile recruiting State in the country. I will give him credit for increasing the talent and getting his team to # 1 in the Country. Compare that top Heupel, who took a depleted roster which had lost over 30% of his scholarship players and was able to get his team to #1 in the country in two and a half years, I take Heupel because I believe his has the highest ceiling in the future. With the class he signed last year and the class he has lined up for this Fall, his future teams will be as competitive as any other team in the Country.

 

[TopDog4TN]

NIL will kill Saban just like Prop 48 killed Nebraska.

As I recall, and I could recall wrong....Prop 48 is what helped Nebraska not kill them. Prop 48 allowed Nebraska to take a bunch of academically ineligible players and "help them fix" their grades for a year before playing. This was enacted by the NCAA in 1986....Nebraska won 3 national titles the next decade. At the end of 1995, the big 12 enacted a limitation to prop 48, only allowing their members to take 2 men and 2 women athletes who were academically ineligible.....thus being what killed Nebraska.

 

[J C Higgins]

Recruiting is a part of coaching, so I would definitely go with Kirby

Yes, recruiting is part of college football coaching and in the vernacular a good coach has a winning record. But technically a great coach is one who gets the most from the player talent with which he/she has to work and he/she might have a losing record. A great coach wouldn't win a game if he had talent like me to work with.
In my opinion Bill Snyder is the best coach of the past 50-60 years.