War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
It is an easy number to accept when one honestly evaluates how this war has gone for Ukraine. It is really tragic what the West has led Ukraine into. Despicable.
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The common narrative these wicked people use is "Ukraine is fighting the fight that the US doesn't have to fight"...
Nothing about Ukraine "winning"... it's more about hoping this will drain Russia's ability to defend itself. This has never been about Ukraine winning. They just want to use Ukrainians as cannon fodder to possibly weaken Russia. But in actuality, they have put Russia on a war footing as far as industry and manufacturing while NATO/US still has no industrial base. The West cannot keep up with Russia's military industrial output. Nor can they maintain the energy needs for starting an industrial base thanks to BRICS+.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The common narrative these wicked people use is "Ukraine is fighting the fight that the US doesn't have to fight"...
Nothing about Ukraine "winning"... it's more about hoping this will drain Russia's ability to defend itself. This has never been about Ukraine winning. They just want to use Ukrainians as cannon fodder to possibly weaken Russia. But in actuality, they have put Russia on a war footing as far as industry and manufacturing while NATO/US still has no industrial base. The West cannot keep up with Russia's military industrial output. Nor can they maintain the energy needs for starting an industrial base thanks to BRICS+.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The common narrative these wicked people use is "Ukraine is fighting the fight that the US doesn't have to fight"...
Nothing about Ukraine "winning"... it's more about hoping this will drain Russia's ability to defend itself. This has never been about Ukraine winning. They just want to use Ukrainians as cannon fodder to possibly weaken Russia. But in actuality, they have put Russia on a war footing as far as industry and manufacturing while NATO/US still has no industrial base. The West cannot keep up with Russia's military industrial output. Nor can they maintain the energy needs for starting an industrial base thanks to BRICS+.
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Yeah, Russia is far stronger today than they were 1.5 years ago.
 
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volgr said:
Yeah, Russia is far stronger today than they were 1.5 years ago.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
"nicht schiessen"??? Is that Ukrainian?



"When we thwarted their attempted assault and neutralized (destroyed with anti-tank guided missiles - Editor's note) the Leopard, we approached the disabled vehicle hoping to extract information. To our surprise, we discovered that the tank's mechanic-driver was severely injured, while the rest of the crew had perished. Upon waking, the mechanic-driver saw us and started shouting 'nicht schießen' (don't shoot - Editor's note)," recounted the group commander.

"Legend" emphasized his proficiency in the German language, stating, "(The mechanic-driver of the downed tank - Ed.) reiterated several times that he wasn't a mercenary but a Bundeswehr serviceman, and the entire crew belonged to the same company.

"He continued, "I was somewhat taken aback, of course, but then I realized that it doesn't matter whether it's a Ukrainian militant crew or German servicemen; the outcome remains the same: German tanks will burn, and even American tanks will burn, regardless of who's controlling them."
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volgr said:
No. I am saying Ukraine would be wise to make peace with it's much larger neighbor, as Countries have done throughout history, as opposed to being enslaved to a Western Death Cult that only looks to exploit them through being a proxy that dies in advancing the West's agenda.
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what in your version of history makes you think that Russia would be better for Ukraine?

Holodomor? The forced relocations? the various other purges both before and after the Revolution? a full blown invasion and war? Russia has never been friendly to Ukraine/Ukrainians, and never held their best interest in mind.

you continue to claim that death and enforced servitude under the Russians is better than just your claimed servitude under the west. but you have absolutely nothing to back it up.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol, zero accountability?

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The Top Myths about US Aid to Ukraine

View PDF Since Russia invaded Ukraine for the second time in eight years, Russian troops have ravaged Ukraine’s cities, raped its women, and stolen its children. Russian missiles and Iranian drones strike Ukrainian cities daily, often hitting civilian targets. Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine is...
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lol. how long ago did we "accidentally" send them more than we thought?

and like most of the "fact checkers" they rely on some double speak to hide what they are saying. Just because its the "most" oversight doesn't mean there is anywhere close to enough; and it certainly does nothing to dispel the worries about having the fox guard the hen house. The US government spent more money investigating how the US spends its money and found no evidence that any of the money spent was misappropriated by the US.....

naïve doesn't even begin to describe the level of logic you are displaying here.
 
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LouderVol said:
lol. how long ago did we "accidentally" send them more than we thought?

and like most of the "fact checkers" they rely on some double speak to hide what they are saying. Just because its the "most" oversight doesn't mean there is anywhere close to enough; and it certainly does nothing to dispel the worries about having the fox guard the hen house. The US government spent more money investigating how the US spends its money and found no evidence that any of the money spent was misappropriated by the US.....

naïve doesn't even begin to describe the level of logic you are displaying here.
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His statement wasn't:

"procedures and systems in place are inadequate for the level of accountability that I expect for monitoring the aid given to Ukraine"

It was "there's zero accountability". Evena as a hyperbolic statement, it's grossly inaccurate to the point of being nonsense.

But feel free to give your assessment of what has been done, and where you believe additional oversight is needed.
 
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LouderVol said:
thehill.com

Pentagon admits it overvalued Ukraine military aid by $6.2 billion

An accounting error led the Pentagon to overvalue the military aid the United States has sent Ukraine by $6.2 billion over the past two years, double the amount first estimated. The Defense D…
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your fact checking said there was no evidence, but we have discussed this very thing in this thread previously.
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Did you actually read the article?

"specifically that the military services used replacement costs rather than the net book value of equipment that was taken from Pentagon stocks to send to Ukraine"
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
"nicht schiessen"??? Is that Ukrainian?



"When we thwarted their attempted assault and neutralized (destroyed with anti-tank guided missiles - Editor's note) the Leopard, we approached the disabled vehicle hoping to extract information. To our surprise, we discovered that the tank's mechanic-driver was severely injured, while the rest of the crew had perished. Upon waking, the mechanic-driver saw us and started shouting 'nicht schießen' (don't shoot - Editor's note)," recounted the group commander.

"Legend" emphasized his proficiency in the German language, stating, "(The mechanic-driver of the downed tank - Ed.) reiterated several times that he wasn't a mercenary but a Bundeswehr serviceman, and the entire crew belonged to the same company.

"He continued, "I was somewhat taken aback, of course, but then I realized that it doesn't matter whether it's a Ukrainian militant crew or German servicemen; the outcome remains the same: German tanks will burn, and even American tanks will burn, regardless of who's controlling them."
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right, so this random attack on a random German tank, that just so happened to be manned by Germans, was coincidentally performed by a Russian just so happened to be proficient in German, and there just so happened to be one surviving crew member who could give away the whole bag...

its like the plot of this fabrication was written by Ian Flemming. the bad guys conveniently explain their whole plot to the good guys, who just by happenstance can exploit the very niche plot device...
 
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LouderVol said:
what in your version of history makes you think that Russia would be better for Ukraine?

Holodomor? The forced relocations? the various other purges both before and after the Revolution? a full blown invasion and war? Russia has never been friendly to Ukraine/Ukrainians, and never held their best interest in mind.

you continue to claim that death and enforced servitude under the Russians is better than just your claimed servitude under the west. but you have absolutely nothing to back it up.
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I think that point SHOULD be obvious to anyone.
 
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