AD White on UVA HC

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OrangeInKy said:
Not to defend the guy, but how do we know he isn’t being honest? If he didn’t mention being offered then maybe what he said is more about going forward with the process at all. Maybe he was saying he just wanted to withdraw and not even pursue it or be considered?
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That is exactly where I am with it. I have had discussions about jobs or promotions without any formal offer. I considered the impact on me and my family and decided to not pursue those discussions any further because it wasn't the right fit or time.
Entirely possible TE did same.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Not to defend the guy, but how do we know he isn’t being honest? If he didn’t mention being offered then maybe what he said is more about going forward with the process at all. Maybe he was saying he just wanted to withdraw and not even pursue it or be considered?
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I think if you put together some thoughts that have already been posted in this thread it is easy to understand where both men feel they are right. Elliot and White obviously had in depth discussions about the job, where Elliot may have honestly felt that to be an offer. DW, on the other hand, sees an offer as a very formal presentation for employment, which Elliot was not given. In the end, DW offered CJH. CJH accepted the position and now we are better then we have been in years. Go Vols!
 
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Based on everything I know about Danny, he does not go to this extent (Twitter response) unless he is 110% sure he is correct and feels that the narrative is 110% false.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
That's not at all how I remember it.

I remember Dan White spending the first three and a half days as AD pushing James Franklin. Meanwhile, he put feelers out to a few other candidates, Elliott included. But the job offer was only ever on the table to Franklin during that period. Keep in mind, you can't offer two people the same job.

Toward the end of those 3 1/2 days, White came to a realization that the best candidate for the position was the fella he'd just left at UCF. And he immediately switched his focus to Josh Heupel.

Two days after that, Heupel was in Tennessee being announced as the Vols' new head football coach.

Elliott was never Tennessee's top candidate. He was one of White's afterthoughts, a plan B or plan C at best. And it never advanced to White making a job offer.

Go Vols!
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Franklin wasn't offered.
 
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Captainzach1 said:
To be fair, they never said Elliott was offered. They just said what Tony Elliott said. And really, at least from that article, he didn’t really said he was offered either. Just the standard “timing wasn’t right” that all coaches say. And then he complimented Tennessee. Kinda surprised any of that made DW mad.
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It's quite obvious that Elliot was insinuating that the job was his if he wanted it.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yah, Dan White does play a bit of a semantics game in his description of the coaching search. He only counts it as an "offer" if there's paper on the table and a fella is handed a pen to sign something. Anything short of that is just conversation.

So yeah, semantics allows Dan to say he only ever offered the job to one guy, who accepted.

And it's obvious that Dan is doing that to protect the reputation of the University of Tennessee: no one ever turns us down. If we offer, they accept. That sort of thing. So good on him for doing that.

Perhaps the better way of discussing this, rather than offers, is the question of top candidates. Franklin was definitely our top candidate for about 3 1/2 days. And then Josh was our top candidate, leading to an offer and acceptance. There were no other top candidates in between--just James, then Josh.

Everything else, Elliott included, was just backup plans and alternative possibilities being explored while the main hunt played out elsewhere (in Pennsylvania, then in central Florida).

Go Vols!
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That's not accurate. None of them ever got to the "everything looks good, let's talk about my contract" stage, let alone any documents being drawn up or a verbal offer of employment being made.
 
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Spicy Danny White? I'm here for it...

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Wish DW would have worded this a little differently to prevent it from sounding confrontational. Maybe, "The job was only offered to one person and that person is now in his third season as the head coach at the U of T." I think most see through the semantics and understand how these things work. If TE was being brought back for another meeting, it's plausible to think he was very close to an official offer. If he then decided to end discussions - that's practically a decline.
 
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joevols89 said:
We definitely offered Franklin, whether it was an official offer or not, is just semantics. And May be the same with Elliott. This all seems unnecessary.
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So Franklin turned down the offer, is that what happened?

If White offered Franklin, as many here say, then White is misstating the facts when he says he offered the job to only one person.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Franklin wasn't offered.
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Only in the strict sense of "offer" = "contract being put on the table for a fella to sign."

Make no mistake: Dan White was pushing hard to get James Franklin for a few days. If at any point Franklin had said, 'yep, okay, I'm in," Dan would've had a contract on the table within the hour. Heck, he probably had a boilerplate of one, ready to be marked up and fine-tuned, in his pocket or briefcase.

But sure, you (and Dan) are technically right, no official offer was made until the job was offered to Heupel.

Either way, we all know Franklin was our first top candidate, then Josh became top choice after it became clear Franklin wasn't biting.

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turbovol said:
So Franklin turned down the offer, is that what happened?

If White offered Franklin, as many here say, then White is misstating the facts when he says he offered the job to only one person.
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Not misstating facts necessarily, just framing himself to be right with semantics. He knows what he’s doing but it’s definitely misleading at the very least.
 
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Captainzach1 said:
To be fair, they never said Elliott was offered. They just said what Tony Elliott said. And really, at least from that article, he didn’t really said he was offered either. Just the standard “timing wasn’t right” that all coaches say. And then he complimented Tennessee. Kinda surprised any of that made DW mad.
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It SOUNDED like he turned us down from that snippet. That and the Clemson stories of Dabo changing his mind at the last minute had me believing he was the second candidate to turn him down. There also seemed to be a motivation to hire an African-American candidate which carried over to the DC search. So if none of that is true, it’s admirable that DW has held his tongue this long.
 
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butchna said:
It SOUNDED like he turned us down from that snippet. That and the Clemson stories of Dabo changing his mind at the last minute had me believing he was the second candidate to turn him down. There also seemed to be a motivation to hire an African-American candidate which carried over to the DC search. So if none of that is true, it’s admirable that DW has held his tongue this long.
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More accurate to say Elliott declined the opportunity to be interviewed for the job.

Even as he wooed James Franklin, Dan White was putting in phone calls to other possible candidates. "Hey, things may work out that I'd like to talk to you about the Tennessee job. If they do, you interested?" That sort of thing. Not a job offer. Not anywhere near a job offer. Just feeling out a fella's interest.

And Elliott could have said, "no, I appreciate the interest but I think the timing would be bad for me right now."

And that could be what Tony Elliott is (honestly and correctly) describing.

Note that in all of that:
(1) Tennessee doesn't ever offer Elliott the job, just the chance to compete for it if things open up.
(2) Elliott never turns down the job (just the opportunity to interview for it).
(3) Elliott is never our top choice. In fact, he might never be above plan C, or D, or whatever. We don't know (and will never know) how many phone calls Dan White made to folks on his short list, gauging interest. Evidence at the time indicated there were at least a couple, including Elliott. But none of them were ever the top candidate.

Go Vols!
 
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