The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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Vol8188 said:
So heresay is the best you’ve got so far? You’ve got to do better
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That was obviously his plan. That is why he was talking about mail-in ballots being a problem before the election. It is why he came out 24 hours before the votes were fully counted in several states and started yelling about vote fraud, when there was not a scintilla of proof of such. He gave himself away right there. It's long past time for MAGA to understand that the gangster is a sick and dangerous man.
 
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luthervol said:
Bannon? Giuliani? The My Pillow Guy? MTG?
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If 10 people told Biden it was unconstitutional (Biden is even on record saying it’s unconstitutional) for him to forgive student loans, would you say that he “defrauded the American taxpayer”?

Or does your “he should have known policy” only apply to trump
 
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turbovol said:
That was obviously his plan. That is why he was talking about mail-in ballots being a problem before the election. It is why he came out 24 hours before the votes were fully counted in several states and started yelling about vote fraud, when there was not a scintilla of proof of such. He gave himself away right there. It's long past time for MAGA to understand that the gangster is a sick and dangerous man.
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Mail in ballots were a problem and there was undoubtedly voter fraud.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s not what was just claimed. He claimed trump knew he lost. Multiple people told me the earth is flat. Am I obligated to believe them?

Someone told you something and you believed them are two different things
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No, you are not obligated to believe some idiots about the shape of the earth. Are you declaring that same standard should be applied to POTUS?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Maybe he knew it. That’s what you’ve got to prove. And “people told him” isn’t proof.
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Yes, it will be. That and there was NEVER any indication or proof of vote fraud. He knew there was no proof. He's a dangerous man who is going to be held accountable for his lawbreaking.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If 10 people told Biden it was unconstitutional (Biden is even on record saying it’s unconstitutional) for him to forgive student loans, would you say that he “defrauded the American taxpayer”?

Or does your “he should have known policy” only apply to trump
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Top shelf reach
 
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turbovol said:
Yes, it will be. That and there was NEVER any indication or proof of vote fraud. He knew there was no proof. He's a dangerous man who is going to be held accountable for his lawbreaking.
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There was a lot of proof of voter fraud. There’s a lot of proof of fraud in nearly all elections.

“Someone told him, so he should have known!” isn’t a good argument. How many people on here have told you Trump is innocent? Are you legally obligated to agree with them?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Maybe he knew it. That’s what you’ve got to prove. And “people told him” isn’t proof.
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Of course he knew it.
Do you believe he knew it? What's your breakdown?
ex. You're 90% sure that Trump was 80% sure he had lost.

Here's my take:
I'm 100% sure that Trump was 100% sure he had lost.

I'm also 100% sure that Trump thought he could steal the election through intimidation and lies.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course he knew it.
Do you believe he knew it? What's your breakdown?
ex. You're 90% sure that Trump was 80% sure he had lost.

Here's my take:
I'm 100% sure that Trump was 100% sure he had lost.

I'm also 100% sure that Trump thought he could steal the election through intimidation and lies.
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He’s probably the most egotistical person on this planet. So no, idk for a fact that he knew he lost. Nor do you. And it seems all these charges are based on the idea that you can prove that
 
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C-south said:
Mail in ballots were a problem and there was undoubtedly voter fraud.
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Send your proof of such to the gangster! You sound like the Pillow Man---he had all the proof, just could never find it! I can't decide which has more credibility--the outcome of some 60 court cases, multiple hand recounts, the conclusions and investigations of state election officials--or your zany MAGA imagination.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Hell. The Lawyers on this board rarely know what they are talking about.
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They know exponentially more about the law than you. There's so much detail and nuance with laws that you could have possibly read up on some details for which you might know as much as them. That being said, they can access decisions faster than you thus crippling your great understanding of the constitution
 
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turbovol said:
Send your proof of such to the gangster! You sound like the Pillow Man---he had all the proof, just could never find it! I can't decide which has more credibility--the outcome of some 60 court cases, multiple hand recounts, the conclusions and investigations of state election officials--or your zany MAGA imagination.
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You realize these court cases weren’t saying “there zero voter fraud” right? Which is what you keep trying to claim
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
They know exponentially more about the law than you. There's so much detail and nuance with laws that you could have possibly read up on some details for which you might know as much as them. That being said, they can access decisions faster than you thus crippling your great understanding of the constitution
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Oh I agree. They certainly do know more. Unfortunately their cognitive disability, (Trump derangement syndrome) has rendered many of them useless. So blinded by their hatred they are no longer able to think critically and apply their education.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
They know exponentially more about the law than you. There's so much detail and nuance with laws that you could have possibly read up on some details for which you might know as much as them. That being said, they can access decisions faster than you thus crippling your great understanding of the constitution
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The lawyers on this board don’t seem to be very impressed with these charges. So I don’t think that’s your best argument right now
 
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Vol8188 said:
Isn’t that your claim? He should’ve known because people told him! You need more than that
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Let's try to spell this out slowly for you. He was told there was no indication of vote fraud. That came from state election officials who investigated. That came from his AG. There was 60 courts cases---all thrown out or lost by his crazy lawyers. You're not entitled to go around for many weeks lying about something and damaging our democracy and putting lives in danger because you're a gangster who's not prepared to accept defeat.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Does it concern you that only 1/3 of these cases is clear cut? It seems if you’re going to go after the main opposition to the current president, that you should have something substantial. I agree they have that in the classified documents case, but substance seems to be greatly lacking in the other two
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The New York case seems pretty repugnant. It’s not about morally, objectively wrong conduct. It involves a novel interpretation of law. It is transparently political. Pretty gross, on balance.

The Mar-A-Lago case isn’t what I would have envisioned for charging Trump, but it doesn’t really bother me because Trump seems to have brought that on himself. He bypassed many off-ramps before he got charged and he has continued to dig that hole deeper and deeper.

The fake electors case is on the other axis. The right to vote and self-determination are bedrock principles for me. I believe this was an attempted coup that threatened to end self-determination. I think the conduct was morally and objectively wrong and also unprecedented. Therefore, I have less of a problem with asking a judge and jury to decide whether the conduct fits within a previously defined crime, within reason. I don’t yet know enough about the proof or these specific statutes to know whether I believe this is “within reason” or not, to be honest.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The New York case seems pretty repugnant. It’s not about morally, objectively wrong conduct. It involves a novel interpretation of law. It is transparently political. Pretty gross, on balance.

The Mar-A-Lago case isn’t what I would have envisioned for charging Trump, but it doesn’t really bother me because Trump seems to have brought that on himself. He bypassed many off-ramps before he got charged and he has continued to dig that hole deeper and deeper.

The fake electors case is on the other axis. The right to vote and self-determination are bedrock principles for me. I believe this was an attempted coup that threatened to end self-determination. I think the conduct was morally and objectively wrong and also unprecedented. Therefore, I have less of a problem with asking a judge and jury to decide whether the conduct fits within a previously defined crime, within reason. I don’t yet know enough about the proof or these specific statutes to know whether I believe this is “within reason” or not, to be honest.
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I don’t think our views are that far off on this
 
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Vol8188 said:
The lawyers on this board don’t seem to be very impressed with these charges. So I don’t think that’s your best argument right now
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Vol8188 said:
The lawyers on this board don’t seem to be very impressed with these charges. So I don’t think that’s your best argument right now
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Ok. I'm not worried about merit. With anyone in this forum
 
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turbovol said:
Let's try to spell this out slowly for you. He was told there was no indication of vote fraud. That came from state election officials who investigated. That came from his AG. There was 60 courts cases---all thrown out or lost by his crazy lawyers. You're not entitled to go around for many weeks lying about something and damaging our democracy and putting lives in danger because you're a gangster who's not prepared to accept defeat.
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Let's spell this out for you - people can and do believe things that aren't true and the talk about them openly.

The prosecution's challenge is to show that Trump did not believe rather than whether or not he should not believe.
 
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