The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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Septic said:
Hoping a *former* president goes to prison for breaking the law. Damn right.

This whole "weaponization" thing is bullsh*t. If he broke the law he should pay the piper. Full stop.

Blaming the DOJ and the prosecutor tasked with its prosecution is just that, deflection and blame to redirect away from the fact that LAWS were broken.

I don't care if it's Biden or Trump, R, D or I.

Trump has groomed the R's to believe he's been a victim of the government and media and law enforcement from the beginning. He's poisoned the well against every institution that could threaten him or hold him accountable. And folks that already were distrustful of the government or the media or LEO's lapped it up. Still do.

So yeah, if trump has broken the law - F him. he should be subject to the same prosecution as you or I would be. In fact a president should be held to a higher standard.


The fact that donny ran his campaign against Hillary and her flouting of the law and that she should be 'locked up' is just delicious irony.
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Isn't it grand when a member of "The Party of Law and Order" says the law doesn't really apply to the former guy, but surprisingly can't cite any law so exempting former presidents from the law?
 
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WBO said:
I'm not a lawyer but I watch a lot of Law and Order and they are all the time arguing hearsay. Would one of the hearsay exceptions be admissions against penal interests (saw that in a recent episode)?

Interesting article on Yahoo's news board said Trump is having a hard time finding front line legal talent. Multiple reasons include: (1) his habit to not pay his lawyers, (2) many lawyers that are in large firms can't get approval to take the case because other lawyers would lose clients, (3) Trump won't quit talking about the cases thereby giving the prosecutors more ammo, and (4) (this is a big one) he occasionally doesn't tell his lawyers the truth or the whole story.

As I've said before, Jack Smith is top of the pyramid. Would you really want to go to war against him using 2nd tier attorneys?
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Looks like the exception that el identified would apply. I probably should have known about that but I’ve only had two charged conspiracies and one got dismissed at preliminary hearing and the other didn’t involve hearsay in furtherance of the conspiracy.
 
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Not only does Trump frequently mislead his attorneys, putting them into the position of having unintentionally misrepresented the facts to a court, but he will then turn on the lawyers and blame them for his own lies.

He got away with such shenannigans for a long time in the civil world because he could buy or wheel and deal his way out of trouble. But this is a different platform. This is being subpoenaed for the security tapes, saying "uh oh" and trying to get your staff to erase them to cover up what you did.

He cannot buy his way out of this and that's why you see the panic from him at this level.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not only does Trump frequently mislead his attorneys, putting them into the position of having unintentionally misrepresented the facts to a court, but he will then turn on the lawyers and blame them for his own lies.

He got away with such shenannigans for a long time in the civil world because he could buy or wheel and deal his way out of trouble. But this is a different platform. This is being subpoenaed for the security tapes, saying "uh oh" and trying to get your staff to erase them to cover up what you did.

He cannot buy his way out of this and that's why you see the panic from him at this level.
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I love that he put out a tape begging congress to intervene (they can't), he's going to increasingly become more and more desperate as the consequences of his actions wash over him.

The more he tweets, the more he knows he's f**ked.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
It's amazing how much some of you idiots are hoping so badly Trump goes to prison. I can't stand the fugger, but i dont believe he'll be going to prison. This is nothing more than theater to keep him from getting re-elected, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Unfortunately, if we get stuck with the current dumbass again, we're not getting anything better than Trump imo. It really sucks the greatest nation on earth has so many ignorant partisan hacks that the last 3 POTUS' have been nothing but garbage.
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He will not go to Prison they will turn Mar A Lago into his prison. A Gag/Duct Tape order. Limited Visitors.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Come on Septic. Hoping a President goes to prison over what amounts to a political prosecution? It will not be a good look and would even further divide the country if such a thing is possible.

I think the Bidens, along with just about everyone in Washington, are corrupt, but would not want to see Joe sent to prison even if at this point irrefutable proof he grifted as VP and/or P came to light. It would smack of and be a political prosecution. And I pretty much hate that old senile fart with stronger feelings against him than any other President.

It may sound hypocritical, but yeah, the President is different from the rest of us. Senators, Reps, etc, send them to prison, but the President just gets retired and should be publicly shamed universally.
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I agree that you could not send a former or current President to a standard prison, but you can see one being sent to one of the military bases where they have low security detention. Wouldn't be disruptive to have the support infrastructure there.

OR

Supermax. He would be totally safe there.

Finally, if Biden breaks criminal law, as a loyal Dem I would totally support locking him up as well. But you guys can't seem to ever prove anything, much less convict someone.
 
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Septic said:
Hoping a *former* president goes to prison for breaking the law. Damn right.

This whole "weaponization" thing is bullsh*t. If he broke the law he should pay the piper. Full stop.

Blaming the DOJ and the prosecutor tasked with its prosecution is just that, deflection and blame to redirect away from the fact that LAWS were broken.

I don't care if it's Biden or Trump, R, D or I.

Trump has groomed the R's to believe he's been a victim of the government and media and law enforcement from the beginning. He's poisoned the well against every institution that could threaten him or hold him accountable. And folks that already were distrustful of the government or the media or LEO's lapped it up. Still do.

So yeah, if trump has broken the law - F him. he should be subject to the same prosecution as you or I would be. In fact a president should be held to a higher standard.


The fact that donny ran his campaign against Hillary and her flouting of the law and that she should be 'locked up' is just delicious irony.
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Amen, brother.
 
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WBO said:
I agree that you could not send a former or current President to a standard prison, but you can see one being sent to one of the military bases where they have low security detention. Wouldn't be disruptive to have the support infrastructure there.

OR

Supermax. He would be totally safe there.

Finally, if Biden breaks criminal law, as a loyal Dem I would totally support locking him up as well. But you guys can't seem to ever prove anything, much less convict someone.
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Trump might talk himself into a supermax hold before any of the criminal trials
 
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WBO said:
I agree that you could not send a former or current President to a standard prison, but you can see one being sent to one of the military bases where they have low security detention. Wouldn't be disruptive to have the support infrastructure there.

OR

Supermax. He would be totally safe there.
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Guantanamo Bay also comes to mind.
 
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hog88 said:
No, it's completely different. Trump is accused of conspiring to destroy evidence and Hillary actually did destroy evidence.
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In all seriousness tho wouldn't the lack of prosecution of Hillary set presendent for this type of crime?
 
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hog88 said:
No, it's completely different. Trump is accused of conspiring to destroy evidence and Hillary actually did destroy evidence.
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She may have destroyed evidence. I agree it's a high degree of probability that she did destroy evidence. That's the catch. As much as I dislike her, I must say she was somewhat of a mastermind criminal in the process. She showed up and testified for 13 hours, knowing they had no real evidence on her. There are lots of explanations, as BS as they may be, for deleting emails. They had nothing to rebut her testimony
 
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WBO said:
I agree that you could not send a former or current President to a standard prison, but you can see one being sent to one of the military bases where they have low security detention. Wouldn't be disruptive to have the support infrastructure there.

OR

Supermax. He would be totally safe there.

Finally, if Biden breaks criminal law, as a loyal Dem I would totally support locking him up as well. But you guys can't seem to ever prove anything, much less convict someone.
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"But you guys can't seem to ever prove anything, much less convict someone." Geez man. Where have you been for the last six years? Under a rock? Democrats cannot tell the difference between men and women anymore, let alone prove the multitude of dum bass accusations they've made about Trump. However, hope is held that this time you guys finally have him.

Actually, you do raise a good point. An ex-president is guaranteed Service Protection the rest of his life. Doubt we're going to send Service Service agents to Supermax prison with him. I'm willing to bet some money they will go where he goes and some prison isn't it.

What I said is not some la-la musings about imprisoning an ex-President. While in office, my understanding is the President can only be convicted and removed from office no matter the crime (with the possible exception of Treason, not sure there). There has been some reasonable debates about how far protection extends after the President leaves office and I lean towards an ex-President has a bigger Get-Out-Jail-Free card than the rest of us.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
"But you guys can't seem to ever prove anything, much less convict someone." Geez man. Where have you been for the last six years? Under a rock? Democrats cannot tell the difference between men and women anymore, let alone prove the multitude of dum bass accusations they've made about Trump. However, hope is held that this time you guys finally have him.

Actually, you do raise a good point. An ex-president is guaranteed Service Protection the rest of his life. Doubt we're going to send Service Service agents to Supermax prison with him. I'm willing to bet some money they will go where he goes and some prison isn't it.

What I said is not some la-la musings about imprisoning an ex-President. While in office, my understanding is the President can only be convicted and removed from office no matter the crime (with the possible exception of Treason, not sure there). There has been some reasonable debates about how far protection extends after the President leaves office and I lean towards an ex-President has a bigger Get-Out-Jail-Free card than the rest of us.
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The only reason Trump wasn't indicted for 🤭 "Russia Gate" was because they couldn't indict a sitting President for obstruction of justice
 
#5,625
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OOJ…
they lied about the dossier, the FISA court, impeached him for a phone call which it looks like the real crimes were the Bidens

take your integrity BS and stick it
 
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