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Behr said:
Interesting.

You're first reaction is the incompetence of him as AD because of the list.

My first thought was that's BS, he didn't have a list.

Hillbilly's first thought was F yeah, Freeze!!!
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My first thing was him wanting to keep Pruitt. I didn't even read most of the list before I posted my comment I knew it would be example 201 of his incompetence as an AD...

I wasn't let down. But what if we hired Alex French...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
My first thing was him wanting to keep Pruitt. I didn't even read most of the list before I posted my comment I knew it would be example 201 of his incompetence as an AD...

I wasn't let down. But what if we hired Alex French...
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Considering who we had previously and what we had at the time, the top half of that list wouldn't have looked near as bad as it does today. But I don't believe he had a list.

TFG would have been happy with French.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
My first thing was him wanting to keep Pruitt. I didn't even read most of the list before I posted my comment I knew it would be example 201 of his incompetence as an AD...

I wasn't let down. But what if we hired Alex French...
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tl;dr
Is it beyond the realm of possibility to think that maybe Fulmer dawnt type much and someone misread a G as an F and maybe an "i" didn't get dotted in handwriting? Or that someone else, maybe an ignoramus, typed it?
Yore at the beach and bishin bout dis?
Also, when exactly "before" Pruitt was fired was this written? I mean, the dude who wrote the article can't deduce that a name being thrown around literally every time there is a rumor of a coaching change is actually "Grinch."
I think he had some people in mind, but I don't think the list was this comprehensive before all the allegations surfaced.
 
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GordonC said:
…Yore at the beach and bishin bout dis?….
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Seriously. Move on.

He did great things; he did not-great things. I wish he hadn’t milked UT for all those years (not-great things.) He also did great things (the Natty.) He’s complicated. He’s not perfect. So am I. So are you, if you’re interesting.

Move on.
 
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VolNExile said:
Seriously. Move on.

He did great things; he did not-great things. I wish he hadn’t milked UT for all those years (not-great things.) He also did great things (the Natty.) He’s complicated. He’s not perfect. So am I. So are you, if you’re interesting.

Move on.
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This will be it from me(for now).

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Great coach early on but lousy AD.

Fulmer/Pruitt's actions not early hurt us then but the recruiting/scholly/visit reductions put us at a disadvantage going forward. I appreciate Heup taking the high road by calling them speedbumps but it makes his job harder.

Fulmer/Pruitt not only hurt football but they hurt other sports. Our baseball team couldn't host a super regional because of our stadium. We can't expand/update stadium when we fall behind in revenues, give up bowl money, and pay a huge ass fine for hiring a well known toxic coach. We got a program changing baseball coach but we can't compete facility wise partially due to Fulmer/Pruitt...

Rant over
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
This will be it from me(for now).

Start Rant

Great coach early on but lousy AD.

Fulmer/Pruitt's actions not early hurt us then but the recruiting/scholly/visit reductions put us at a disadvantage going forward. I appreciate Heup taking the high road by calling them speedbumps but it makes his job harder.

Fulmer/Pruitt not only hurt football but they hurt other sports. Our baseball team couldn't host a super regional because of our stadium. We can't expand/update stadium when we fall behind in revenues, give up bowl money, and pay a huge ass fine for hiring a well known toxic coach. We got a program changing baseball coach but we can't compete facility wise partially due to Fulmer/Pruitt...

Rant over
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I hear ya. But again:

IMO, he wasn’t great. And also IMO, he wasn’t awful (lots of stuff he inherited.) And if took a while for institutional support for excellence.

IMO, he just kind of piddled along; just another mid-level manager. Kicking the can on down the road.

Yes, he didn’t catch things he should have under his watch. But he wasn’t (IMO) actively malevolent, which was a nice change. Apparently, when the chit hit the fire, he did add info to the investigation.

If everything had been sailing along just fine, and then *Fulmer*, I’d feel differently. But in the shitstorm we were in, he was just a background awful; not a wade-into-everything-and-make-it-a-billion-times-awfuller level of awful.

On a personal then-married-to-an-AD-adjunct-employee, I can only say that he was 5 quintillion times better than Johnny Majors in just everyday human behavior. When we heard that he’d been named head coach, we were completely unsurprised. After that, it was pretty much Fulmer-meh, but otherwise it was just waiting for the wheel to turn once again.
 
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Behr said:
Considering who we had previously and what we had at the time, the top half of that list wouldn't have looked near as bad as it does today. But I don't believe he had a list.

TFG would have been happy with French.
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Wtf
 
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VolNExile said:
I hear ya. But again:

IMO, he wasn’t great. And also IMO, he wasn’t awful (lots of stuff he inherited.) And if took a while for institutional support for excellence.

IMO, he just kind of piddled along; just another mid-level manager. Kicking the can on down the road.

Yes, he didn’t catch things he should have under his watch. But he wasn’t (IMO) actively malevolent, which was a nice change. Apparently, when the chit hit the fire, he did add info to the investigation.

If everything had been sailing along just fine, and then *Fulmer*, I’d feel differently. But in the shitstorm we were in, he was just a background awful; not a wade-into-everything-and-make-it-a-billion-times-awfuller level of awful.

On a personal then-married-to-an-AD-adjunct-employee, I can only say that he was 5 quintillion times better than Johnny Majors in just everyday human behavior. When we heard that he’d been named head coach, we were completely unsurprised. After that, it was pretty much Fulmer-meh, but otherwise it was just waiting for the wheel to turn once again.
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I don't think he was malevolent but he was woefully unqualified for the position of AD. Back in the 80s, it was where football coaches went to retire but now, it requires a business, marketing, legal, personnel, and managerial skillset that he clearly did not have.

I would say he was more than background awful in all key aspects of his AD job. He couldn't hire and fire, the finances got off track (went from Top 10 in revenues to barely inside Top 20), and the culture of NCAA compliance yielded an all time record number of NCAA violations. It wasn't his intent to be that bad. He wasn't remotely qualified to do what it takes to be an AD in 2020s and it clearly showed.
 
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