Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[LA Vol]

Apparently it didn't matter if it was off or not, right? They have been jerking us around on what the potential penalties would be from the start.

Some deal points are non-negotiable. Generally, both parties prefer not to escalate legally over it.

 

[drvenner]

Watermelon and feta in salad as a change of pace. Yea or Nay?

Watermelon no, Strawberries yes

 

[drvenner]

If there's anyone's opinions I value about postseason success, it's a Cubs fan

Touche'

 

[drvenner]

wow not good news in the recruiting front.

staff perhaps needs to reevaluate some things. not pushing for commitments has cost us on few key players this year.

yuck. oh well what you gonna do?

Apparently, we are going to post random laments in every single thread when we are still 5 months from ESD.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Apparently, we are going to post random laments in every single thread when we are still 5 months from ESD.

if only there were a free board to post said laments, about TN football recruiting. that is a novel idea.

 

[Jimmy Football]

if only there were a free board to post said laments, about TN football recruiting. that is a novel idea.

HandWringNation.com

 

[bluegrasser]

Just picked this up for my classroom! View attachment 562822

SIAP, where did you get this? That is awesome!!

 

[butchna]

Also, media narrative of UT avoiding a bowl ban is bogus. Postseason ban was off the table way back.

But it was a useful narrative for negative recruiting. Not that it blowing back will harm Smart, Saban, Kelly et al. But a recruit that favors us but listened to that tripe spilling out of Stoops and Beamer’s glory holes will count it against them imo.

 

[itsme]

I think this is why we have all of a sudden lost a lot of momentum with big recruits. Makes me very nervous that we are about to get hammered even more than what we already imposed.

Today worked out fairly decent for us. 12 more scholarships lost in the next 5 years. $8M is not a problem. I'm sure we've been negative recruited about possible postseason ban. Now that everything is clear, let's roll.

 

[Vol423]

Primal fear was solid. Richard Gere is a chode but Edward Norton was good in that flick. Honorable Mention to Matlock. Yes, I know it is not a movie but Ben was damn courtroom gangsta!

I agree. Primal Fear was good.

 

[Playdo]

 

[DarthVol1]

Look again at the recruiting restrictions

Spread out over 5 years makes this a nothing burger.

 

[drvenner]

As part of the five-year NCAAA probation, UT must:

• Pay fine, including $8 million, 50% of gross revenue paid to SEC for UT's participation in the 2020 TaxSlayer Gator Bowl under Pruitt, $5,000 plus 3% of football budget
• Vacate all wins and individual records in any game in which 16 individual sanctioned players participated. Those games will announced later.
• Cut 28 scholarships from its roster over five years. UT had already self-imposed 16 scholarships over the past two seasons.
• Cease communication with recruits for 28 weeks spread over five years.
• End unofficial visits by recruits for 40 weeks over five years.
• Cut 36 official visits by recruits over five years.
• Cut 120 evaluation days over five years.

Does anyone know how many of the other penalties besides SCHOLARSHIPS we have already self-imposed?

 

[drvenner]

OT, RB, and DL are trending away.

Makes me sick to see other teams, like Wisconsin tied with us.

But we still got almost 6 months to go.

Maybe you can grow a pair and feel all better.

 

[drvenner]

I’m not as happy as I should be about this, because I know what the NCAA told us we would get when we wrapped up our investigation.

But, if you had told me when we fired Pruitt that we would be coming off an 11-2 season in just two years and basically have nominal penalties imposed for a few more seasons, I would have told you that you were absolutely delusional.

Can you share what the NCAA told us ?

 

[Dooby15]

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Schlabach is probably in shambles today. He wanted this one. Dude has been out there the last yr talking about “this won’t last” and “wait until they get hammered by the NCAA” he said that a lot during our run last season.

Along with Pat Forde of course.I know this is killing him.

And to the rival coaches, good luck stopping what Heupel is building now. Negative recruiting just got very difficult for them.

 

[drvenner]

My guess is this has been harder on recruiting than even VQ wants to admit.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Schlabaugh and others were talking in the media about UT getting hammered once we reasserted ourselves as a threat.

Schabaugh is and always will be a pathetic Georgia puke.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

I have checked the Twitters on the NCAA ruling and it is clear rival fans are overwhelmingly upset with the decision and don't think the NCAA was hard enough on us. So that tells me that this was a good result and that it will be perceived as such by recruits.

 

[orangejuice]

I don't see the NCAA being in control in 5 years anyway, so we should just wait to take the punishment until they dissolve (aka, just tell them to kick rocks without telling them to kick rocks). (only halfway kidding)

 

[drvenner]

Pruitt’s camp made that argument to the NCAA.

Wish he would have gotten a 60 year show cause.

 

[BigSteve09]

Anyone with access have any info on opposing fan sites reactions to the penalties?

Missouri fans upset because of what happened to them in the past. Ohio State saying they got it worse for tattoos. Oklahoma State saying we got off light comparatively.

Fans of other schools (ND, Ole Miss, LSU) that have had to vacate wins mostly focusing on how stupid/inconsistent the NCAA is in general.

Alabama:

Tennessee made the right move and did a good job handling this. No post season ban is huge

other Bama fans with blue balls. wanted the worst.

overwhelming majority across all fans/media saying we did the right thing and somehow successfully navigated out of a huge mess. Also a lot of sentiment that this would have been worse for a "lesser" or "mid-tier" program. (we back)

Northwestern fans welcoming the distraction.

USC fans back to whining about Reggie Bush

 

[BigSteve09]

 

[Vols4us]

Per the release from the NCAA, they claim the Level 1 infractions would typically merit a 2-year post-season ban but due to “exemplary cooperation” it was off the table.

RIP to the clowns that said our leadership should have told the NCAA to pound sand. Danny and Donde could not have done a better job.

FYP.



Back when the investigation was announced and the early actions taken by UT, a few of posted that it would be a negotiated settlement, which had not been availble for schools to choose to do until recent years. That is what just happened. Had they gone nuclear it would have been far worse because the rules were the rules and the penalties were the penalties for the period of the infractions. It did not matter that NIL came along or the rules were modified afterwards.

Miami did a negotiated settlement with them in February with the women's basketball program as an example.

Negotiated settlements cut costs and speed up timelines for the NCAA. A requirement is negotiation in good faith. If it is adversarial up front or during the process they will use their own investigative people to do a deeper dive and it will take much longer. A negotiated settlement does not mean you cannot appeal their decisions, which UT obviously did on some aspects of the proposed penalties. The NCAA sent a clear message of what they think about the current UT administration and their response to the allegations.

Now the haters can go pound sand as we are good to go with enough ammunition to make their lives miserable on game days.

 

[volinokc]

I have checked the Twitters on the NCAA ruling and it is clear rival fans are overwhelmingly upset with the decision and don't think the NCAA was hard enough on us. So that tells me that this was a good result and that it will be perceived as such by recruits.

The fine is confusing to me, but I’ll just refrain from trying to make sense out of any of it.
At any rate, it would be great if they deliver the money to the NCAA in a McDonalds bag.