The Problems with Trans-ideology

[NashVol11]

What’s the meaning of social construct?

An idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society.

Their statement is self evident. Known Marxist. Marxist oppose the nuclear family as upholding capitalism. They clearly say they wish to “disrupt” the nuclear family. You’re trying to claim they don’t oppose the nuclear family. If so, simply define disrupt as they’re using it in that sentence. It shouldn’t be hard.

Expand. You're right, it wasn't hard.

 

[Vol8188]

Great point. Every new thought we've had since 1950 is too new, and the answer is to live in 1940 where gender and sex are the same and Black people don't have rights. Integration is a very new distinction from left wing academics so it's therefore wrong.



This can't be a serious conversation lol. We in and of ourselves are a society and the appeal to "most" or the rest of the world is something you're inventing, then just saying "seems obvious" with zero other sources because you apparently want to prove my point over and over

More dumb comments to distract from the point. You attempted to pretend I was wrong and gender/sex are separate. The truth is the two are used interchangeably in American English. Just because some academics in 1940/1950 started attempting to separate the terms doesn’t mean it caught on in 1940/1950.

When you say we are a society, agreed. Obviously. Now, how does American society view the question? The obvious answer is that American society has two distinct gender roles.

You believe I need a source for the claim that societies determine the social constructs? Once again, some things are self evident. A=A. You yourself are proclaiming openly that gender roles is merely made up by society and I’m agreeing. But the obvious point here is if gender is merely a societal construct shouldn’t we defer to society for the definition?

 

[Vol8188]

?? A person incentivized to do so couldn't find ANY examples of it being "marketed to elementary schools" and ONE example in the country of it being present in a middle school library within which it could easily be restricted (skipping past every other controversy revolving around a high school) and immediately starts with the "what about the 10 year olds". I'm saying that's stupid.

Sure, I was wrong about elementary schools. Pretty sure I’ve said that. You however claimed it was 18+. Yet it has been in middle schools and the publisher says it’s for everyone.

 

[NashVol11]

More dumb comments to distract from the point. You attempted to pretend I was wrong and gender/sex are separate. The truth is the two are used interchangeably in American English. Just because some academics in 1940/1950 started attempting to separate the terms doesn’t mean it caught on in 1940/1950.

You are wrong lol. You're saying they are the same because they were the same in 1940. That's an insane argument to make.

When you say we are a society, agreed. Obviously. Now, how does American society view the question? The obvious answer is that American society has two distinct gender roles.

You believe I need a source for the claim that societies determine the social constructs? Once again, some things are self evident. A=A. You yourself are proclaiming openly that gender roles is merely made up by society and I’m agreeing. But the obvious point here is if gender is merely a societal construct shouldn’t we defer to society for the definition?

Yeah this has to be trolling lol, I bolded, underlined and italicized "A society" and here you are with "most societies" again. We are a society and gender and sex aren't the same here nor are there only two genders here. This is extremely straightforward other than you pushing definitions that don't exist.

 

[NashVol11]

Sure, I was wrong about elementary schools. Pretty sure I’ve said that. You however claimed it was 18+. Yet it has been in middle schools and the publisher says it’s for everyone.

18+ on Amazon, 15+ on Barnes and Noble, no one cares or is looking at what the publisher says. "For everyone" could and probably does just mean it's for straight people too anyway, you are trying way too hard to be offended here

 

[Vol8188]

An idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society.



Expand. You're right, it wasn't hard.

Yes, and who should we look to when trying to define social constructs if not to society. The problem is you’re trying to definitively proclaim your idealistic vision is the actual way society defines gender roles (as being on a spectrum). Rather than deferring to society on a question about society

Disrupt is the actual opposite of the word expand. “To interrupt or impede the progress of”. We are talking about slowing/stopping nuclear families not increasing the number of or expanding them. It’s amazing how dishonest you’re being right now.

Do we agree Marxism opposes the nuclear family and that the founders of blm are on record proclaiming to be Marxist?

 

[NashVol11]

In sum, gender and sex are the same because 8188 found a time in history when they WERE viewed as the same (almost 100 years ago) and would like to be back there. Social construct also doesn't mean what it means because 8188 would like it to mean something else. So, as long as we ignore the things 8188 wishes were true, we're good

 

[Vol8188]

You are wrong lol. You're saying they are separate because they were separate in 1940. That's an insane argument to make.



Yeah this has to be trolling lol, I bolded, underlined and italicized "A society" and here you are with "most societies" again. We are a society and gender and sex aren't the same here nor are there only two genders here. This is extremely straightforward other than you pushing definitions that don't exist.

They were separate in 1950, 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010, and 2020 for most. You’re making the insane argument. That because left wing academics wrote something, it changed the meaning of the word. You can argue the meaning of words changes overtime, that’s fine. You can argue you prefer the separate definition, also fine. But you don’t get to pretend that as of 1940 these words were entirely separate because one lady said so.

We are talking about the on the spectrum claim. Yes, we are a society. Some see it as being on a spectrum, but not most. When attempting to define a social construct the view of the majority of society should matter. So when leftist proclaim gender is on a spectrum they’re merely telling you how they wish society viewed it, but they’re falsely proclaiming it as a fact. No one ever says “I wish gender were viewed as being on a spectrum” but rather they say definitively “gender is on a spectrum”.

 

[Vol8188]

In sum, gender and sex are the same because 8188 found a time in history when they WERE viewed as the same (almost 100 years ago) and would like to be back there. Social construct also doesn't mean what it means because 8188 would like it to mean something else. So, as long as we ignore the things 8188 wishes were true, we're good

You came into this attempting to pretend everyone was just an evil liar out to get trans people. Then you continually lied throughout the conversation, “disrupt means expand”. It was pathetic, truly

 

[NashVol11]

They were separate in 1950, 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010, and 2020 for most. You’re making the insane argument. That because left wing academics wrote something, it changed the meaning of the word. You can argue the meaning of words changes overtime, that’s fine. You can argue you prefer the separate definition, also fine. But you don’t get to pretend that as of 1940 these words were entirely separate because one lady said so.

We are talking about the on the spectrum claim. Yes, we are a society. Some see it as being on a spectrum, but not most. When attempting to define a social construct the view of the majority of society should matter. So when leftist proclaim gender is on a spectrum they’re merely telling you how they wish society viewed it, but they’re falsely proclaiming it as a fact. No one ever says “I wish gender were viewed as being on a spectrum” but rather they say definitively “gender is on a spectrum”.

Accepted by a society could and probably should mean acceptance by scientists, academics and people who actually work in the field. For the 7th time, the appeal to the majority of random average joes is something you are pulling from nowhere but your own a**

 

[Vol8188]

Accepted by society could and probably should mean acceptance by scientists, academics and people who actually work in the field. For the 7th time, the appeal to the majority of random ass average joes is something you are pulling from nowhere but your own a**

Lmao so society is determined by academics rather than society?

There we have it. If we want to define gender you can’t go with what the majority view is, but rather you have to refer to random academics in queer theory. Maybe the dumbest statement I’ve ever heard.

 

[NashVol11]

You came into this attempting to pretend everyone was just an evil liar out to get trans people. Then you continually lied throughout the conversation, “disrupt means expand”. It was pathetic, truly

Reread the conversation lol, you came in with a bunch of whiny boogeymen saying gay = pedo because John Money and heterosexual elementary school kids are under attack and that went about as well as one would expect

 

[Vol8188]

Reread the conversation lol, you came in with a bunch of whiny boogeymen saying gay = pedo because John Money and heterosexual elementary school kids are under attack and that went about as well as one would expect

And yet I’ve lied about zero things in this conversation.

 

[NashVol11]

Lmao so society is determined by academics rather than society?

There we have it. If we want to define gender you can’t go with what the majority view is, but rather you have to refer to random academics in queer theory. Maybe the dumbest statement I’ve ever heard.

Might want to look back at some of your posts then majority works like that in every scientific field, archaeologists aren't going around polling random ass Republicans in backwoods TN lol

 

[NashVol11]

And yet I’ve lied about zero things in this conversation.

LOL, I don't think you have a single argument remaining that hasn't been exposed as a lie.

"Sexualizing kids" = Lie
Drag queens always twerk = Lie
Drag queens are always highly sexualized = Lie
Drag queens and Hooters girls are equally sexual (LOL) = Lie
Foucault inventing queer theory and destroying traditional family = Lie
“Heterosexuals are under attack” = Lie
"Marketed to elementary school kids" = Lie
Pedophile invented gender/sex distinction = Lie
Social construct means appeal to the majority of individual people worldwide = Lie

Good effort though

 

[Vol8188]

Might want to look back at some of your posts then majority works like that in every scientific field, archaeologists aren't going around polling random ass Republicans in backwoods TN lol

If they’re studying random ass republicans, they should.

This is where your argument falls apart. If a scientist is studying society, they should defer to the beliefs of society when writing about the social constructs of that society. You’re trying to have it both ways and failing to see the obvious contradiction here.

If it’s a social construct, it’s defined by societies, not by academics. Idk how you can fail to see that other than you’re simply lying like you did about blm

 

[NashVol11]

If they’re studying random ass republicans, they should.

This is where your argument falls apart. If a scientist is studying society, they should defer to the beliefs of society when writing about the social constructs of that society. You’re trying to have it both ways and failing to see the obvious contradiction here.

If it’s a social construct, it’s defined by societies, not by academics. Idk how you can fail to see that other than you’re simply lying like you did about blm

Scientists are studying gender, not "society", and their study of gender absolutely does not need to include a poll of what random people who know nothing about the field think. I know, or at least hope, you are smarter than this lol

 

[Vol8188]

LOL, I don't think you have a single argument remaining that hasn't been exposed as a lie.

"Sexualizing kids" = Lie
Drag queens always twerk = Lie
Drag queens are always highly sexualized = Lie
Drag queens and Hooters girls are equally sexual (LOL) = Lie
Foucault inventing queer theory and destroying traditional family = Lie
“Heterosexuals are under attack” = Lie
"Marketed to elementary school kids" = Lie
Pedophile invented gender/sex distinction = Lie
Social construct means appeal to the majority of individual people worldwide = Lie

Half that list are things I’ve never said. The other half you’re intentionally misrepresenting. It’s really pathetic, honestly.

 

[NashVol11]

Half that list are things I’ve never said. The other half you’re intentionally misrepresenting. It’s really pathetic, honestly.

I would start saying things like "this is pathetic" if all of my arguments got trashed too. Well, that or "gay people are inherently hedonistic so that's why they should be treated worse than others"

 

[Vol8188]

I would start saying things like "this is pathetic" if all of my arguments got trashed too. Well, that or "gay people are inherently hedonistic so that's why they should be treated worse than others"

Also not something I’ve said. Pathetic

 

[Vol8188]

Scientists are studying gender, not "society", and their study of gender absolutely does not need to include a poll of what random people who know nothing about the field think. I know, or at least hope, you are smarter than this lol

If they were studying it as a societal construct as you proclaim, than they obviously should. For example marriage is a societal construct. If studying marriage from an academic perspective you should look to how societies view marriage to define marriage. It’s obvious and evident.

When a biologists describes a species, they look to the species to do so. They don’t describe it based on their own desires for what the species should be like. That’s the issue with what you’re trying to proclaim. The academics you’re referring to are not defining a societal construct based on how society views it but rather based on how they wish it were viewed.

 

[OrangeBoro]

Pride….

 

[Orangeburst]

Pride….

Mental illness. Frankly obscene

 

[OrangeBoro]

Mental illness. Frankly obscene

Everyone involved should be thrown in jail

 

[Orangeburst]

Everyone involved should be thrown in jail

That judge that struck down TN law said there are already obscenity laws on the books..use them. I don't want to see that gay or not **** on the street.