Gun control debate (merged)

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85SugarVol said:
Not surprised.

The Supreme Court decision - Dred Scott

Was it constitutional or was it interpreted incorrectly?
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At the time of the decision, it was constitutional. It later became obvious how wrong the constitution was in that regard.
We can only hope for the same enlightenment to happen in other areas.
 
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C-south said:
How did they remedy the issue?
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If your angle is that the only way to have rational and reasonable gun regulations and restrictions is by amendment, then I simply disagree.
As I stated earlier, if the gun nuts force the situation to the point where that becomes true, it will be a very sad day for gun nuts. I still hold out hope that wiser heads will prevail.
 
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luthervol said:
If your angle is that the only way to have rational and reasonable gun regulations and restrictions is by amendment, then I simply disagree.
As I stated earlier, if the gun nuts force the situation to the point where that becomes true, it will be a very sad day for gun nuts. I still hold out hope that wiser heads will prevail.
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Rational and reasonable is subjective especially coming from you, someone that’s as far from rational or reasonable as can be. The constitution is clear with countless examples of context by the people that wrote it.
 
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luthervol said:
So you can purchase a newly manufactured fully automatic assault weapon?
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You cannot manufacture one. You should be able to, but Reagan (like Trump) sucked on the topic of gun rights. Like his racially motivated actions in California
 
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Vol8188 said:
You cannot manufacture one. You should be able to, but Reagan (like Trump) sucked on the topic of gun rights. Like his racially motivated actions in California
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So the manufacture of new ones can be banned while leaving the ones already in circulation legal to own. Interesting.
 
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luthervol said:
So the manufacture of new ones can be banned while leaving the ones already in circulation legal to own. Interesting.
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Ironically nobody fights it even though it is unconstitutional. Must be one of those “compromises” you keep mentioning where nothing is given for something in return.
 
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C-south said:
Ironically nobody fights it even though it is unconstitutional. Must be one of those “compromises” you keep mentioning where nothing is given for something in return.
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Sure something was given. The guns already in circulation were allowed to remain legal.
Neither extreme got what they wanted. Both sides made concessions. We don't really want the extremes on either side getting what they want. Of course gun nuts are trying to force the issue to where it has to be one extreme or the other.
(No middle ground)
 
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luthervol said:
I've never struggled with embracing who I am. Gun grabber just isn't it. I'm about halfway between a gun nut and a gun grabber.
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No you aren't. You lie to yourself. You aren't a dumb person. But you publicly lie to yourself. The 2A stuff is proof. There is zero way you can read any supporting thoughts the founders had on gun ownership and have your position. You are a liar so you can advance your agenda easier. Fraud. You could claim they got it wrong like other things but you don't. I could respect that. You try to publicly prove you are bad at grammar instead and claim they weren't guaranteeing the right to own arms won't be infringed. Everything contextually says you are wrong. You know it. You just don't want to admit. The semantics game is what you want to play.
 
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luthervol said:
At the time of the decision, it was constitutional. It later became obvious how wrong the constitution was in that regard.
We can only hope for the same enlightenment to happen in other areas.
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My God, man.

Dred Scott was just as unconstitutional then as it is today.

Take a step back, and look at the position you just took.
 
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luthervol said:
Sure something was given. The guns already in circulation were allowed to remain legal.
Neither extreme got what they wanted. Both sides made concessions. We don't really want the extremes on either side getting what they want. Of course gun nuts are trying to force the issue to where it has to be one extreme or the other.
(No middle ground)
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One side made concessions. The other side said ok….for now.
 
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#27,270
luthervol said:
Sure something was given. The guns already in circulation were allowed to remain legal.
Neither extreme got what they wanted. Both sides made concessions. We don't really want the extremes on either side getting what they want. Of course gun nuts are trying to force the issue to where it has to be one extreme or the other.
(No middle ground)
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There is middle ground. You just don't like it. Change the amendment correctly. Stop lying.
 
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Something something only happens in America.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/03/europe/serbia-school-shooting-intl/index.html

Semi-auto guns are illegal. Only some pistols, shotguns, and hunting rifles are legal at all. Number of guns one can own tightly controlled. Buying a gun is a very lengthy and controlled process with back ground checks. Reading some conflicting info, seems like the laws recently changed getting more restrictive, but because its Europe they claim it's too easy. Sounds like you now have to pass a test and go through a standardized government review, were as before it was a personal, and often racist, decision made by the government.
 
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85SugarVol said:
My God, man.

Dred Scott was just as unconstitutional then as it is today.

Take a step back, and look at the position you just took.
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No it wasn't. Are you nuts? At the time, slaves were 3/5 of a human and couldn't vote - per the constitution.
The constitution had to be "progressed" to meet mesh with the changes of time.
 
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