Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
U.S. Attorney’s Office Provides Update on Chicago Firearms Trafficking Strike Force.

According to gun trace data, a significant number of firearms recovered in Chicago originate outside Chicago and are illegally trafficked into the city. The strike force has strengthened coordination between law enforcement in Chicago and counterparts in the locations where many of the firearms originate. In providing the update on the strike force’s efforts, U.S. Attorney Lausch was joined by U.S. Attorneys from around the Midwest.

“Firearms traffickers and straw purchasers enable violence,” said U.S. Attorney Lausch. “Over the past year, the cross-jurisdictional strike force has increased collaboration with our law enforcement partners and enhanced our longstanding efforts to hold accountable individuals or groups who illegally traffic firearms into Chicago.”
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All that is illegal now. Are you going to pass more laws making it super dooper illegal?
 
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Vol8188 said:
It seems like a bunch of examples of guns they were able to track. The first example even mentioned the “federal form” I told you about earlier. The thing you were saying they couldn’t do. What am I missing
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One thing that seems pretty obvious is that people are making multiple purchases in a short time frame with the intent to resell illegally.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
What does it matter if they are here legally or not? They were still human beings living on earth. Are their lives worth less to you because they aren't American citizens?
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you are missing the other part of the problem. They are dead because another illegal alien killed them. If those laws had been enforced, at least on the guy deported 4 times, those other people would still be alive.

take your false righteousness up with the system that allows murders to come back into the country multiple times. and this is hardly a standalone case. Its impossible to say you care about the deaths when the system that allows the murders to go free is praised.
 
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luthervol said:
We need more reasonable and rational judges.

If it continues the trend of getting worse, Hog is going to get his wish of an actual ammendment.

That will be far worse for the gun nuts than agreeing to some rational and reasonable restrictions that are compatible with 2a.
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do you know your history of what happened with prohibition?

Do you know the problems before prohibition? the problems were bad
Do you know what happened to those problems during prohibition? the problems got worse and a TON of violence was introduced, and organized crime gained a larger foothold than they had ever had.
Do you know what the government did during prohibition? It killed its citizens
Do you know what happened to those problems after prohibition? the problems got better.

Prohibition is not the way to go about things. Look at cigarettes. The smoking population is miniscule now compared to what it was. How did they do that? They ran targeted adds discussing the ACTUAL problems with the actual numbers and didn't rely on bs to push fear. They didn't ban cigarettes. Not only was this effective, where prohibition wasn't. but it also didn't create more violence, didn't have the government killing its own citizens, and didn't give organized crime a place to make more money.
 
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jp1 said:
In some states.
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Good start. The problem highlighted by my post is that states or cities with more rational and reasonable gun regulations and restrictions because of the lack of restriction and regulations in other states. Almost leading one to think their needs to be some national guidelines.
 
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LouderVol said:
do you know your history of what happened with prohibition?

Do you know the problems before prohibition? the problems were bad
Do you know what happened to those problems during prohibition? the problems got worse and a TON of violence was introduced, and organized crime gained a larger foothold than they had ever had.
Do you know what the government did during prohibition? It killed its citizens
Do you know what happened to those problems after prohibition? the problems got better.

Prohibition is not the way to go about things. Look at cigarettes. The smoking population is miniscule now compared to what it was. How did they do that? They ran targeted adds discussing the ACTUAL problems with the actual numbers and didn't rely on bs to push fear. They didn't ban cigarettes. Not only was this effective, where prohibition wasn't. but it also didn't create more violence, didn't have the government killing its own citizens, and didn't give organized crime a place to make more money.
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Who has asked for a prohibition on guns? Certainly never me.
 
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luthervol said:
Because the more someone has to pay for an illegal product, the less that will be sold.
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lol wut?

If I can make $3000 selling a gun, why would I sell fewer than when I was making $2000 selling that same gun?

the demand doesn't go away just because it costs more. and its not going to decrease the number of shootings.
 
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luthervol said:
Good start. The problem highlighted by my post is that states or cities with more rational and reasonable gun regulations and restrictions because of the lack of restriction and regulations in other states. Almost leading one to think their needs to be some national guidelines.
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Who is determining if they are rational and reasonable?
 
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LouderVol said:
lol wut?

If I can make $3000 selling a gun, why would I sell fewer than when I was making $2000 selling that same gun?

the demand doesn't go away just because it costs more. and its not going to decrease the number of shootings.
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wut???????
So if the price of new cars doubled, it wouldn't lessen the demand?
If that was true, they would double the price.

Come on, you're smarter than that.
 
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luthervol said:
One thing that seems pretty obvious is that people are making multiple purchases in a short time frame with the intent to resell illegally.
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No, that's not the case most of the time. Criminals are paying people who can legally buy guns to make the purchase. Very, very few people are buying multiple guns with the intention of reselling them for profit.
 
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hog88 said:
No, that's not the case most of the time. Criminals are paying people who can legally buy guns to make the purchase. Very, very few people are buying multiple guns with the intention of reselling them for profit.
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How many is very, very few? And how do you know?

How many people purchase 27 guns in a month for valid reasons? And what would that valid reason be?
 
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luthervol said:
How many is very, very few? And how do you know?

How many people purchase 27 guns in a month for valid reasons? And what would that valid reason be?
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No I don't have numbers but just like every criminal element, it is an extremely small percentage of the population.

It doesn't matter whether a person has a valid reason or not to buy 27 guns in a month, if they are buying them for resell to people not qualified to make the purchase themselves they are breaking the law. Hell, maybe someone came into a bunch of money and making bucket list purchases for their collection?
 
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hog88 said:
No I don't have numbers but just like every criminal element, it is an extremely small percentage of the population.

It doesn't matter whether a person has a valid reason or not to buy 27 guns in a month, if they are buying them for resell to people not qualified to make the purchase themselves they are breaking the law. Hell, maybe someone came into a bunch of money and making bucket list purchases for their collection?
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So there is no valid reason. The only time it would happen would be for inappropriate reasons.
It's ignorant to protect a "so called right" (which it is not) that is only used by criminals.
It's that kind of nonsense that makes the law abiding gun nuts look so nutty.
 
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luthervol said:
They know it - unless they truly are incredibly stupid - they just can't publicly admit it because it destroys their narrative.
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what? that the laws making this illegal aren't effective? I think we will 100% admit that.

your example includes cases where multiple people take illegal actions before it gets to the final shooters hand. How is making the next person at the front of the line a criminal going to change anything?

Like I said before, all you are doing is making more people criminals.
 
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