The DeSantis containment thread -- all things DeSantis go here

[whodeycin85]

I'm seeing his comments regarding it not being a vital interest in March, but see no reports of him now supporting our involvement.
He was for sending arms to Ukraine in 2015, but we're going on eight years now.

It was his reference to it being a territorial dispute..he walked it back after people criticized the remark

 

[NCFisher]

He’s done a lot that deserves criticism.

What's the worst two?

 

[hog88]

What's the worst two?

Signing the bill that bans businesses from requiring the vax and his attack on Disney.

 

[NCFisher]

I agree I think that it absurd to a degree hence why I asked that age...are we talking 12 and below. Or teens etc...it makes a difference.

It's Florence, Italy, literally teaming with such outdoor sculptures and statues. You can't visit the city without seeing it.
This is on the parents for not knowing, and then being dumb enough to make a stink over Renaissance era art that's been on display since the 13th century.

 

[whodeycin85]

It's Florence, Italy, literally teaming with such outdoor sculptures and statues. You can't visit the city without seeing it.
This is on the parents for not knowing, and then being dumb enough to make a stink over Renaissance era art that's been on display since the 13th century.

10 years ago you are correct...nowadays with a subset of the population deadset if the sexualization of kids...for me I'm all about protecting them from predators and given we an never tell until it happen who those are..id air on the side of caution

 

[Lawrence Wright]

10 years ago you are correct...nowadays with a subset of the population deadset if the sexualization of kids...for me I'm all about protecting them from predators and given we an never tell until it happen who those are..id air on the side of caution

Connect the dots between protecting children from predators and children seeing a famous work of art that’s been around for over 500 years.

 

[BowlBrother85]

id air on the side of caution

Would you really?

 

[whodeycin85]

Connect the dots between protecting children from predators and children seeing a famous work of art that’s been around for over 500 years.

Nudity, if showing a child a 100 year old vintage pic of a naked man is not acceptable why does the medium and extra years make a difference,??

 

[whodeycin85]

Would you really?

I have, my son was is 11 had never seen the full Statue till yesterday, but knew what it was from the torso up picture...so yea he was taught about art without showing him a sexual organ.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I miss the days when a boring platform like that was enough to win any party’s nomination.

Those days are over.

When you ask Trump supporters why they vote for him, you will get some variety of :

1) He triggers the libs.
2) He fights back.
3) He is not an establishment candidate.

It's rarely anything based on substantive policy.

 

[NCFisher]

Signing the bill that bans businesses from requiring the vax and his attack on Disney.

Why should an employer be able to force me into an experimental vaccine? Or businesses be able, more than a year after the virus became known in the U.S., to deny me services/goods, including medical care? Who's on the right side of liberty here? It can't be both.

The people of FL - and people nationally - are against the sexualization and anti-American indoctrination of their children. Is DeSantis to represent the voters of FL, or Disney productions with a "not so secret gay agenda...wherever possible (sic) adding queerness" in it's programming? FL voters spoke again in November.

DeSantis is right to take this fight.

 

[NCFisher]

10 years ago you are correct...nowadays with a subset of the population deadset if the sexualization of kids...for me I'm all about protecting them from predators and given we an never tell until it happen who those are..id air on the side of caution

I agree with the bold, but that (sexualization of children) isn't this (centuries old art that Italian children play in the shadow of daily). If I just lash out indiscriminately and conflate things; no matter how legitimate my premise, I lose the argument.

If my 12 yo comes back from Florence and telling me all the statues have peckers and breasts exposed, I can say "FK!! - that violates our religious beliefs!" but I'm to blame.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Nudity, if showing a child a 100 year old vintage pic of a naked man is not acceptable why does the medium and extra years make a difference,??

That’s not a very good answer, unless you can prove a 500 year old statue promotes pedophilia.

 

[hog88]

Why should an employer be able to force me into an experimental vaccine? Or businesses be able, more than a year after the virus became known in the U.S., to deny me services/goods, including medical care? Who's on the right side of liberty here? It can't be both.

The people of FL - and people nationally - are against the sexualization and anti-American indoctrination of their children. Is DeSantis to represent the voters of FL, or Disney productions with a "not so secret gay agenda...wherever possible (sic) adding queerness" in it's programming? FL voters spoke again in November.

DeSantis is right to take this fight.

Because freedom of association. I'm on the side of liberty for all, liberty for employees, customers and business owners.

In the Disney matter, DeSantis should represent all of FL and not single out 1 company that simply disagreed with his policies.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The vaccine is not experimental. 70 percent of Americans have received the vaccine. That's the opposite of experimental. The usual reach....

Yeah keep telling yourself that Cletus. Big pharma looooves you

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

State of the GOP: A president who tries a coup, incites an attack on the U.S. Capitol that leads to 8 deaths--all his responsibility; twice impeached, pathologically corrupt and dishonest; should be in prison--may yet get sent up the river, if we're all lucky--and he wants to be president again??? You can't make it up.

His rival is a bully and tone-deaf loser from florida who has spent days promoting some lame book of his in Ohio while Fort Lauderdale experiences devastating floods, major gas lines in southern Florida, and his big selling point, in his mind, is calling everything and everybody, "woke."

What a pair of losers. Seriously, the GOP has lost its way. The party has been taken over by rubes and extremists and has become decidedly corrupt. The strategy for winning elections consists mainly in trying to pretend Democrats are cheating while ACTUALLY cheating themselves. Their big goal is to restrict voting by groups that they believe vote for Democrats--which is also known has cheating. Trying to keep college students from voting on their campuses--that's their latest BS/cheating ploy. Loathsome people. A GOP lawyer was caught on tape telling a bunch of conservative crazies that they must work to "combat" student voting. In other words, more cheating is needed. The GOP way.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

And Biden will be in impeachment proceedings. This info is just too much to let go.

He has the best insurance policy ever conceived:

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You can't run on policy and conservative policy credentials and take the GOP nomination away from Trump. The MAGA base is obsessed with having a candidate to poke a stick in the eye of the inevitable future caused by demographics. democrats. So if you can tackle some freaky social stuff that makes the base thrust up a fist and go "Yeah, score for the good guys!" that's success.

Conservative policies are now completely irrelevant as its a party based on hate and fear.

fyp

Oh, and lol at the bolded part.

 

[NCFisher]

Because freedom of association. I'm on the side of liberty for all, liberty for employees, customers and business owners.

In the Disney matter, DeSantis should represent all of FL and not single out 1 company that simply disagreed with his policies.

That's fine, but overlooks the customer or employee in both that association AND says you don't get to own yourself in society as I want it. And to hell with your privacy and medical rights. That's a recipe for furthering restriction of liberty, not advancing it. I think conservatives and libertarians need to wake up.

Is there another self-governing FL company similar to Disney that took a public stance against the parents rejecting sexualization of kids and generated public ire of the voters? That might be why 'just Disney'.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I mean, you can’t take credit for praying away one natural disaster and not another.

That’s situational spirituality.

No it isn't. God doesn't always say 'yes'. But you know that.

I don't know what his quote is/was regarding 'praying away a hurricane', and I really don't care a whole lot. If he did pray and it went away, then God answered his (among others') prayers in the affirmative. I can only take him at his word that he is Christian.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

When you ask Trump supporters why they vote for him, you will get some variety of :

1) He triggers the libs.
2) He fights back.
3) He is not an establishment candidate.

It's rarely anything based on substantive policy.

LOL Seriously Clark?

Here's number 4) Trump actually had policies that helped/favored the average American. Puddinhead EO'd them into the dumpster in his first fifteen minutes in the WH.

By using your numbering system, I don't have to do the entire laundry list again that we are all very familiar with.

 

[NCFisher]

Lol. Due to Florida’s “Sunshine Laws” this was all done completely out in the open. It was a public ****ing meeting! DeSantis just took his victory lap too early. Too bad. Always nice to see Fascists lose.

Perhaps not, but then I'm not a lawyer familiar with FL law. I can only assume others commenting are.
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First, as a purported contract, the development agreement between Disney and the outgoing board requires "consideration" by both contracting parties; in other words, each side would need to make some sort of promise, or vow some sort of specific action, with respect to the counterparty. This purported development agreement, which was rushed through last-minute in ham-fisted fashion, lacks consideration, perhaps the most basic element in all of contract law: Here, the outgoing board purported to give Disney everything, but it received nothing in return. Absent consideration, the purported development agreement was void ab initio.

Second, under Florida's well-known, powerful Sunshine Law, a local government must comply with certain notice requirements for residents in order for the matters addressed at a government's board meeting to be valid and binding. Public notice of a meeting is mandatory under Florida law; and specifically, for an action of this sort to be binding, notice of the underlying meeting must be mailed to local property owners. Disney and the outgoing board simply did not do that; they rushed their first public board meeting on the development agreement on January 25, and their second meeting on February 8, in their sloppy attempt to thwart at the last minute the Florida Legislature and the will of the Florida people. Unfortunately for Disney, Florida courts have consistently held that when the Sunshine Law is violated, a purported governmental action is void ab initio.

Third, the Florida Constitution specifically stipulates that new revenue-raising measured based on ad valorem (i.e., proportional) taxation, which the purported development agreement entailed, can only be ratified via a direct referendum of a district. That condition was also not met here; rather, in another comically self-dealing move for Disney, the purported development agreement contained a provision that the district "shall fund" certain Disney prerogatives. This too is blatantly illegal.

Finally, the purported development agreement violates yet another basic tenet of contract law: that a contract not be procedurally or substantively "unconscionable." In fact, the purported development agreement is both.

It is procedurally unconscionable because the very nature of private Disney lawyers "negotiating" with the Reedy Creek Improvement District's outside counsel and drafting statements for a public hearing is blatantly self-dealing conduct; one source with close knowledge tells me that Disney's lawyer, in the lead-up to the outgoing board's two hearings, candidly confessed that the "optics look bad" for his name to be on the contract as the drafter, suggesting instead that the outgoing district's counsel have his name listed notwithstanding the obvious falsity. And the purported development agreement is substantively unconscionable because the entire purpose of this charade is to evade the will of the people of Florida, whose duly elected representatives wanted to replace the Disney-dominated Reedy Creek Improvement District board with the DeSantis-selected Central Florida Tourism Oversight District board.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...again_to_florida_and_ron_desantis_149135.html

 

[whodeycin85]

That’s not a very good answer, unless you can prove a 500 year old statue promotes pedophilia.

It doesn't promote pedophilia anymore then a mom walking around with her boobs out in front of her kids...it introduces them to sexuality by showing the male organ. That's why I said the age matters...

 

[Lawrence Wright]

It doesn't promote pedophilia anymore then a mom walking around with her boobs out in front of her kids...it introduces them to sexuality by showing the male organ. That's why I said the age matters...

And yet, the statue wasn’t an issue for over 500 years.

Americans are repressed when it comes to sexuality.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Here's number 4) Trump actually had policies that helped/favored the average American. Puddinhead EO'd them into the dumpster in his first fifteen minutes in the WH.

Such as what, exactly?

Without even trying to do so, you point out a real flaw in his presidency. The policies which he enacted were able to be removed with executive orders, because that was how they were implemented. Even though Republicans had control of both chambers of Congress during Trump's first two years in office, he could get very little legislation passed. The tax cuts were basically it. Trump governed by way of executive order.

... and let's look at what he could not do :

1) Repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act? No.
2) Help reduce spending? No. (He actually said he would eliminate the debt while President.)
3) Build new stretches of border wall, and see to it that Mexico paid for it? No.

The reality is, there isn't much of a Trump legacy to talk about. The 3 Supreme Court Justices are pretty much it ... but that was more a function of Republicans having a majority in the Senate, than it was an achievement of his own.