Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
Because you can't defend one if not both. And you know one is indefensible.
Sorry your logic just can't stand up......and you know it.
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Try a different analogy. Head splitting in itself isn't inherently illegal. Depends on the circumstance. Someone breaks into your home, chases your wife with a knife or crowbar.....reach for the head splitter. It has satisfied it's marketed name legally.

Your analogy however is just gross and juvenile and illegal in all forms.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Try a different analogy. Head splitting in itself isn't inherently illegal. Depends on the circumstance. Someone breaks into your home, chases your wife with a knife or crowbar.....reach for the head splitter. It has satisfied it's marketed name legally.

Your analogy however is just gross and juvenile and illegal in all forms.
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You're not 82 and living in Kansas City are you?
 
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luthervol said:
How do you get anything and everything form "any product that is specifically marketed to break the law"?

The gaps in your "logic and reasoning" are massive.
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Because that’s where it inevitably leads. They banned guns in the UK. Now they cry out over the knife violence and the “knife problem” there.

Why would anyone try and have a conversation with you at this point.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Uh huh.

Their “common sense” proposal is to remove the intimidating writing down the side of the blade.

Wonder what their subsequent “common sense” proposal will be when that doesn’t work 🤔
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One thing that I have learned is when someone uses the term "common sense" in conjunction with gun control, they have none.
 
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luthervol said:
lol....Outcomes should most definitely be equitable. Did you stumble over your own tongue?

You aren't claiming that produces would stop producing under an equitable system....are you?
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Should everyone get the same outcome? If everyone does what incentive do producers have to produce when everyone gets the same or similar result?

It all depends on what the definition of equity is. In the classical sense what we have is supremely equitable.

The wealthy and rich play the vast majority of the taxes for example, but you'd never guess that in an election year.
 
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KB5252 said:
Should everyone get the same outcome? If everyone does what incentive do producers have to produce when everyone gets the same or similar result?

It all depends on what the definition of equity is. In the classical sense what we have is supremely equitable.

The wealthy and rich play the vast majority of the taxes for example, but you'd never guess that in an election year.
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You said equitable not equal.
And of course everyone shouldn't get the same outcome; there would be nothing at all equitable with that.
 
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This guy lol….

“A big problem with gun owners is they say, ‘Well, you know, what these people wanna do sounds reasonable, but it’s a slippery slope. How do I know what will be limited?’ And I argue that we outta just put it all up for referendums, let people vote on it,” Clinton said,
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What’s next? You gonna propose letting people vote on Freedom of Religion?

Bill Clinton Names the ‘Big Problem With Gun Owners’ in Fight for Reform: ‘They Have to Treat Each Other Like People’ (Video)
 
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luthervol said:
You said equitable not equal.
And of course everyone shouldn't get the same outcome; there would be nothing at all equitable with that.
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My attempted but obviously failed point was it depends on the arbiter of equity. Do we not have equity now?
 
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luthervol said:
It is certainly not perceived to be so by tens of millions.
I'll give us a 71%......barely passing.
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Yes but those beating that drum are the same ones complaining the rich don't pay their fair share........ The facts don't support their assertions.

I'm not rich. Far from it. Not even slightly wealthy. I'm lower middle class. I know what the truth is despite my socio-economic standing.
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes but those beating that drum are the same ones complaining the rich don't pay their fair share........ The facts don't support their assertions.

I'm not rich. Far from it. Not even slightly wealthy. I'm lower middle class. I know what the truth is despite my socio-economic standing.
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There are certainly differences of opinion on what constitutes a "fair" share.
 
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luthervol said:
There are certainly differences of opinion on what constitutes a "fair" share.
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Because "fair" is subjective. Too many people think they deserve or are entitled to something just for being and it seems to be getting worse.

I've always tried to provide the best I can for my daughter, I've instilled respect for others, self and hard work. She rarely asks for anything. She wants a job at 16 because she wants to be self sufficient, she says she doesn't like to ask us for things. She's seen us struggle recently, that's the part that both cuts me as father but also makes me proud.

I'm afraid too many have passed along hopelessness and created a generation of nihilists.
 
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