2024 Presidential Race

[VolStrom]

His biggest job was Mayor of a medium sized city, his term as SoT has been pretty much one cluster F after another to the point of being completely ineffectual. I get it, he's a well spoken and intelligent guy but nothing on his resume comes close to sniffing the Presidency.

Yeah, but he's gay and a democrat and he virtual signals by riding a bike the last 1/2 mile to work as he has his F'n motorcade stop so he can get his faux bike out the back of the one of the gas hog SUV's that drive him to work. What a pretend POS.

 

[gcbvol]

His biggest job was Mayor of a medium sized city, his term as SoT has been pretty much one cluster F after another to the point of being completely ineffectual. I get it, he's a well spoken and intelligent guy but nothing on his resume comes close to sniffing the Presidency.

Disagree on SoT. His biggest issue was delay in getting to OH. Supply chain issues were not his doing, nor the archaic technology leading to recent air issues. He's done a lot of good stuff with the infrastructure funding. A lot of the knocks are purely partisan attacks. The GOP leadership see him as a rising star, so a level of attack is expected.

My thinking on this is around executive positions, which is what POTUS is. Successful executives have strong cognitive ability, are excellent communicators, and have an ability to inspire others. POTUS also needs the ability to politic. Pete has the first two in spades. He has shown the ability to inspire - how do you think he came out of nowhere to be a top contender in 2020? He needs to grow in this space, but I believe he can. He also has the political skill, which continues to develop.

All the tools are there.

 

[hog88]

Disagree on SoT. His biggest issue was delay in getting to OH. Supply chain issues were not his doing, nor the archaic technology leading to recent air issues. He's done a lot of good stuff with the infrastructure funding. A lot of the knocks are purely partisan attacks. The GOP leadership see him as a rising star, so a level of attack is expected.

My thinking on this is around executive positions, which is what POTUS is. Successful executives have strong cognitive ability, are excellent communicators, and have an ability to inspire others. POTUS also needs the ability to politic. Pete has the first two in spades. He has shown the ability to inspire - how do you think he came out of nowhere to be a top contender in 2020? He needs to grow in this space, but I believe he can. He also has the political skill, which continues to develop.

All the tools are there.

I disagree, the OH derailment had nothing to do with him and he made a big mistake by caving into idiots that don't know which dept is responsible for what. He ended up making himself look weak and ineffectual when the reality is he had no business going in the first place, that was the EPA realm. He should have explained that instead of caving to the pressure. To me his biggest failure was doing nothing during the supply chain crisis, there was plenty that he could have done. He could have suspended or altered truckers hours of service, rallied the EPA to loosen some of their moronic regulations to get broken down trucks back on the road, but he ended up doing nothing.

Pete had his chances to shine and and fell flat on his ass at every turn. If it was the WH preventing him from being effectual he should have resigned.

 

[gcbvol]

I disagree, the OH derailment had nothing to do with him and he made a big mistake by caving into idiots that don't know which dept is responsible for what. He ended up making himself look weak and ineffectual when the reality is he had no business going in the first place, that was the EPA realm. He should have explained that instead of caving to the pressure. To me his biggest failure was doing nothing during the supply chain crisis, there was plenty that he could have done. He could have suspended or altered truckers hours of service, rallied the EPA to loosen some of their moronic regulations to get broken down trucks back on the road, but he ended up doing nothing.

Pete had his chances to shine and and fell flat on his ass at every turn. If it was the WH preventing him from being effectual he should have resigned.

He's young and growing. I should have made clear in my initial post he's not ready for 24, but if he continues to develop he will be by 28.

I'm often wrong, but believe he'll be POTUS one day. He's among the good ones.

 

[utvolpj]

Disagree on SoT. His biggest issue was delay in getting to OH. Supply chain issues were not his doing, nor the archaic technology leading to recent air issues. He's done a lot of good stuff with the infrastructure funding. A lot of the knocks are purely partisan attacks. The GOP leadership see him as a rising star, so a level of attack is expected.

My thinking on this is around executive positions, which is what POTUS is. Successful executives have strong cognitive ability, are excellent communicators, and have an ability to inspire others. POTUS also needs the ability to politic. Pete has the first two in spades. He has shown the ability to inspire - how do you think he came out of nowhere to be a top contender in 2020? He needs to grow in this space, but I believe he can. He also has the political skill, which continues to develop.

All the tools are there.

The supply chain issues were absolutely on him. It's literally what his dept does. He wimped out/was bought out of the last primary. He had failed at his current position and I can't understand anyone who would be inspired by him. He's a big govt, play-the-game party bureaucrat who checks a diversity box. That's what our govt has become

 

[gcbvol]

The supply chain issues were absolutely on him. It's literally what his dept does. He wimped out/was bought out of the last primary. He had failed at his current position and I can't understand anyone who would be inspired by him. He's a big govt, play-the-game party bureaucrat who checks a diversity box. That's what our govt has become

The supply chain issues were on the pandemic. I trust Hog's take on what he could have done better, but he didn't cause or exacerbate them. He absolutely did not fail as mayor - don't fall for attacks from far right and far left. He was a highly respected and admired leader in South Bend.

Your take is interesting, though. Some folks like me find him very inspiring while others like yourself find him fake. Plenty of folks liked him enough to vote for him in 20, so he has something going for him. He's much more than a diversity checkbox, but that's the only thing some folks want to direct their focus.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Disagree on SoT. His biggest issue was delay in getting to OH. Supply chain issues were not his doing, nor the archaic technology leading to recent air issues. He's done a lot of good stuff with the infrastructure funding. A lot of the knocks are purely partisan attacks. The GOP leadership see him as a rising star, so a level of attack is expected.

My thinking on this is around executive positions, which is what POTUS is. Successful executives have strong cognitive ability, are excellent communicators, and have an ability to inspire others. POTUS also needs the ability to politic. Pete has the first two in spades. He has shown the ability to inspire - how do you think he came out of nowhere to be a top contender in 2020? He needs to grow in this space, but I believe he can. He also has the political skill, which continues to develop.

All the tools are there.

You're kidding, right? Out of blue font? Boot-edge-edge is so far out of his depth it isn't funny.

What exactly has he done that is inspirational?

 

[gcbvol]

You're kidding, right? Out of blue font? Boot-edge-edge is so far out of his depth it isn't funny.

What exactly has he done that is inspirational?

I mentioned the ability to inspire. During his campaign it was his vision for our country and the future which inspired a lot of folks to vote for him.

You guys don't like him. I understand. Many folks do like him, though. I'll also add when a person is attacked by both the far right and far left there is a good chance they're doing something right.

 

[Orangeburst]

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[SpaceCoastVol]

The supply chain issues were on the pandemic. I trust Hog's take on what he could have done better, but he didn't cause or exacerbate them. He absolutely did not fail as mayor - don't fall for attacks from far right and far left. He was a highly respected and admired leader in South Bend.

Your take is interesting, though. Some folks like me find him very inspiring while others like yourself find him fake. Plenty of folks liked him enough to vote for him in 20, so he has something going for him. He's much more than a diversity checkbox, but that's the only thing some folks want to direct their focus.

Blaming incompetence on the pandemic doesn't do anything to help your case. True leaders succeed in spite of the odds. He's just another manager. But I am curious as to what he has done that you find 'inspiring'..

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I mentioned the ability to inspire. During his campaign it was his vision for our country and the future which inspired a lot of folks to vote for him.

You guys don't like him. I understand. Many folks do like him, though. I'll also add when a person is attacked by both the far right and far left there is a good chance they're doing something right.

Again. What has he done that is inspirational?

And I am nowhere near the far right..

 

[gcbvol]

Again. What has he done that is inspirational?

And I am nowhere near the far right..

I didn't mean you when I mentioned the attacks. The 2020 Dem primary was eye opening. Pete was attacked by both far sides. The Bernie Bros hated him. There was actually more homophobia and racism from the far left than the far right.

It's not so much what he's done, but what his vision for America can be. He has some great ideas and he's much more moderate than you think. That said, I do respect his military service, his work as mayor, and his faith. I honestly believe he's a genuinely good man who wants the best for America. For me, that's rare with politicians. I have never claimed he is without faults.

 

[utvolpj]

The supply chain issues were on the pandemic. I trust Hog's take on what he could have done better, but he didn't cause or exacerbate them. He absolutely did not fail as mayor - don't fall for attacks from far right and far left. He was a highly respected and admired leader in South Bend.

Your take is interesting, though. Some folks like me find him very inspiring while others like yourself find him fake. Plenty of folks liked him enough to vote for him in 20, so he has something going for him. He's much more than a diversity checkbox, but that's the only thing some folks want to direct their focus.

He actually did exacerbate them by playing politics and not using available ports in FL to unload containers. They bowed to the west coast unions and let the ships sit instead of helping the American people. As someone who has worked in distribution and logistics for over 2 decades, that doesn't inspire me

He had a chance in the last primary yet chose to accept the party buyout and stand aside. That's not a leader many will get behind

 

[BowlBrother85]

The supply chain issues were absolutely on him. It's literally what his dept does. He wimped out/was bought out of the last primary. He had failed at his current position and I can't understand anyone who would be inspired by him. He's a big govt, play-the-game party bureaucrat who checks a diversity box. That's what our govt has become

The supply chain disruptions began in the fall of 2020 ... months before he was appointed to his post.

Where the supply-chain crisis came from, where it's going, and when it will be over

... with many of the problems being on the micro-level. This crisis has been over-simplified in the discussion here.

 

[utvolpj]

The supply chain disruptions began in the fall of 2020 ... months before he was appointed to his post.

Where the supply-chain crisis came from, where it's going, and when it will be over

... with many of the problems being on the micro-level. This crisis has been over-simplified in the discussion here.

And nothing was done by Mayor Pete and the Biden admin to lessen the effect. Their inaction actually made it worse. If he's the inspirational leader being described he could have made some changes.

 

[hog88]

He's young and growing. I should have made clear in my initial post he's not ready for 24, but if he continues to develop he will be by 28.

I'm often wrong, but believe he'll be POTUS one day. He's among the good ones.

If a dem doesn’t win in 24 Pete’s next job is a newstainment personality and IMO that will be the end of his political aspirations.

 

[BowlBrother85]

And nothing was done by Mayor Pete and the Biden admin to lessen the effect. Their inaction actually made it worse. If he's the inspirational leader being described he could have made some changes.

There wasn't a quick fix for the bottleneck. You have identified port congestion as one contributing factor, as if better port-management would solve everything.

What about ??? ...

1) Raw materials shortages
2) Inadequate infrastructure
3) Factory closures
4) Truck driver shortages

You are over-simplifying the problem.

 

[BreatheUT]

His biggest job was Mayor of a medium sized city, his term as SoT has been pretty much one cluster F after another to the point of being completely ineffectual. I get it, he's a well spoken and intelligent guy but nothing on his resume comes close to sniffing the Presidency.

He can handle a mean PowerPoint using grad school jargon.

 

[gcbvol]

If a dem doesn’t win in 24 Pete’s next job is a newstainment personality and IMO that will be the end of his political aspirations.

Could be. Who do you choose?

Pete or Harris?
Pete or Warren?
Pete or Newsom?
Pete or Beto?
Pete or Bernie?
Pete or Whitmer?

I've heard 2 GOP strategists in the last couple weeks name Pete as the biggest GOP concern in 24 if not Biden. I disagree with them, but I'm obviously not the only one who sees the potential.

 

[utvolpj]

There wasn't a quick fix for the bottleneck. You have identified port congestion as one contributing factor, as if better port-management would solve everything.

What about ??? ...

1) Raw materials shortages
2) Inadequate infrastructure
3) Factory closures
4) Truck driver shortages

You are over-simplifying the problem.

Ships were already on the water with the goods. I simply offered one suggestion that would have absolutely helped ease the impact. They chose petty politics with FL and CA unions over the American people.

 

[hog88]

There wasn't a quick fix for the bottleneck. You have identified port congestion as one contributing factor, as if better port-management would solve everything.

What about ??? ...

1) Raw materials shortages
2) Inadequate infrastructure
3) Factory closures
4) Truck driver shortages

You are over-simplifying the problem.

Nobody is oversimplifying the problem. There was nothing the Biden Administration could have done to prevent the supply chain problem however they did nothing to help ease the problems. They actually took actions that compounded the issues.

 

[gcbvol]

There wasn't a quick fix for the bottleneck. You have identified port congestion as one contributing factor, as if better port-management would solve everything.

What about ??? ...

1) Raw materials shortages
2) Inadequate infrastructure
3) Factory closures
4) Truck driver shortages

You are over-simplifying the problem.

Pete and the admin are not without fault, but he gets much more blame than he should.

 

[hog88]

Could be. Who do you choose?

Pete or Harris?
Pete or Warren?
Pete or Newsom?
Pete or Beto?
Pete or Bernie?
Pete or Whitmer?

I've heard 2 GOP strategists in the last couple weeks name Pete as the biggest GOP concern in 24 if not Biden. I disagree with them, but I'm obviously not the only one who sees the potential.

None of the above.

 

[gcbvol]

None of the above.

Don't do that. You know he's better than several of those names touted as key Dem contenders. And that's been my key point in this conversation. He's not perfect by any stretch, but which Dem is clearly better?

 

[utvolpj]

Pete and the admin are not without fault, but he gets much more blame than he should.

He wanted the chair. When transportation fails people are going to look to the Dot.