Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

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SGMVols said:
We wouldn’t have given Barnes top 5 money either had UCLA not threatened to.
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UCLA was a job that was offering Barnes a lot of money and a job that wasn’t a complete rebuild. Drew can not say he hasn’t had the same opportunity or offer in the last 5-10 years….
 
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Rocky Top Raby said:
So what about the years where his team was healthy? Y'all act like there isn't his whole career to base the fact he's mediocre as ****.
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Your “mediocre as ****” comment about Rick Barnes is so wrong it is laughable. Always fun to come to Volnation and see how low the bar can go when it comes to unhinged comments.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
UCLA was a job that was offering Barnes a lot of money and a job that wasn’t a complete rebuild. Drew can not say he hasn’t had the same opportunity or offer in the last 5-10 years….
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You are going to be so disappointed the day the search comes. I kind of feel bad for you.
 
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ReggieJohnsonFan said:
Your “mediocre as ****” comment about Rick Barnes is so wrong it is laughable. Always fun to come to Volnation and see how low the bar can go when it comes to unhinged comments.
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Name another HOF/top quality coach that’s been at a school(s) with immense resources and has been unable to get beyond the Sweet Sixteen in 15 YEARS? This is a trend that warrants questioning (see the USA Today piece from last week) and nothing you guys say once TN is bounced every year offsets the reality of Barnes extended inability to break through for a deep tourney run.

Sorry, but in a March he is mediocre.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
He could be awesome, or he could be the next Shaka Smart.

I swear I want an AI to go through and show all the genius kneejerk reactions of people wanting to hire the coach that just had a good tourney form a mid-major and see how many of those actually went on to succeed at a higher school and how many never came close to repeating what they did.
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Plenty of great coaches have come up this way, so not sure I'd be this dismissive. Tennessee hired Pearl because of a mid-major tourney run, same with Larranaga at Miami who is now in the Final Four. His opponent is Dan Hurley at UConn who is another example.

Bill Self got his first major job because of a run at Tulsa. Jay Wright at Hofstra didn't really make a run, but got hired based on a tourney appearance at a small school; same with Jim Calhoun. Chris Beard made a run with UALR, then got hired at Texas Tech and took them to the national title game and made Texas a top-10 team before revealing himself as a POS
 
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Hell, even Calipari and Pitino went to Final Fours at Providence/UMass and proceeded to thrive on the biggest stage, just had NBA stops in between
 
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SGMVols said:
You are going to be so disappointed the day the search comes. I kind of feel bad for you.
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I’m sorry you are someone who can’t take answers coherently to another poster’s question about candidates if Barnes up and retired today.

I kinda feel bad for you and your miserable state of pessimism.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again, there is no risk to Tennessee by talking to him. He may have used Georgia for a pay raise but Georgia isn’t paying top money for their basketball coach. It’s really simple…. Call Drew, offer him $6m and make him say no. If he says no, Baylor has to drastically fork more money over to him and Tennessee literally loses nothing. If he says yes. Tennessee makes the best hire in program history in terms of a coaching resumè
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When Rick decides to retire in 2 or 3 years, you might be right.
 
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Delmar said:
When Rick decides to retire in 2 or 3 years, you might be right.
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My posts about Drew are in response to the poster asking "Say Rick retires tomorrow, who you going after".... I stated my candidates and the "why"......

Drew could be another Gundy with us... However, he is vastly underpaid.... Tennessee could almost double his pay by simply making an offer of same pay as we are currently paying.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Also, what job opening has been open over the the last 5-10 years where a clear upgrade in some form or fashion has been presented to Drew aka Blue Blood or massive pay day?

He wasn’t taking the UCLA job because of conference issues… Duke and UNC were both going in house. Cal and Self are basically coaching until they say they are done….

Simply put, there has not been one school in the last 5-8 seasons that have come along after Drew where it isn’t a rebuild and said school is basically offering top 5 money…. If you think it’s impossible that Drew wouldn’t listen to a “job pitch”, you would make a horrible agent. He gets paid either way. One route is Baylor forks over cash or we get our guy. Literally zero risk.
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I might agree if he hadn't won a natty at Baylor. Why leave a place where you're a living legend, have won at the highest level, and a statue will probably be built when you retire? I do agree that it's a zero risk option.

Oh, and there isn't an opening here and likely won't be unless Rick decides to call it quits.
 
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berryvol said:
You may have a better chance of pulling John Wooden from the grave than you would Jay Wright to coach here.
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Or anywhere. The Sixers would have made overtures if there was a shot he would coach again, but if he was going to coach in college why on earth would he leave a place that's been his home and where he's won it all twice? The man didn't want to deal with NIL and the transfer portal and got the hell out while he was still relatively young, and has a well paying cushy TV gig as an annuity. Why f***k with a life that good?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
The Big Least is nothing more than a Mid Major…. Nothing more than a once glorified “P5” level conference. Creighton is very much a mid major institution.
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Really?

If the Big East, who had two schools in the final eight and missed by a whisker having two in the final four, then what is the SEC in basketball?

C'mon, that's ridiculous.
 
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sami said:
I might agree if he hadn't won a natty at Baylor. Why leave a place where you're a living legend, have won at the highest level, and a statue will probably be built when you retire? I do agree that it's a zero risk option.

Oh, and there isn't an opening here and likely won't be unless Rick decides to call it quits.
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No one said there is an opening.... Literally a poster posed the hypothetical of "Barnes waking up and retiring today"...... Posters proceeded to get panties in a wad at a hypothetical. Drama queens live here. Not saying you are one.
 
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HippieVol33 said:
Wonder if anybody here can give me a legit reason that’s Barnes coaches too hard and the players are scared to be aggressive and shoot the ball?
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Barnes addresses passing up good looks far more often than taking bad shots. He does seem to have a short leash when players are sloppy with the ball and have unforced turnovers. He really hates it when players have defensive lapses. That’s the kind of discipline that wins a lot of ballgames.

He doesn’t need to be a sweaty, demonstrative sideline gorilla screaming at everything as his face turns beet red. The players know what is expected of them. He can let refs know that he disagrees with them while still giving them respect.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Barnes addresses passing up good looks far more often than taking bad shots. He does seem to have a short leash when players are sloppy with the ball and have unforced turnovers. He really hates it when players have defensive lapses. That’s the kind of discipline that wins a lot of ballgames.

He doesn’t need to be a sweaty, demonstrative sideline gorilla screaming at everything as his face turns beet red. The players know what is expected of them. He can let refs know that he disagrees with them while still giving them respect.
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It’s really this simple I’ve listened to Barnes complain more about guys not shooting than I have shooting it. It really just comes down to the “casual fans” needing something to complain about. Which is fine, that’s what this forum is for. I just ask some people to bring some type of traction to their arguments.
 
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Things I have heard Barnes complain about a player

“X passed up too many good shots”
”X needs to be more active on the glass”
”X needs to be more locked in defensively”

Things I have never heard Barnes complain about a player

”X shot too much”
 
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BisonVol said:
SDSU and UCONN rank 4th and 8th in defensive efficiency respectively. Say what you will about Barnes offensive philosophy, but anyone who thinks great defense isn’t important is kidding themselves.
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So how is it that they can play defense at that level and not be beat up and worn out? Maybe they're not beaten down mentally and that makes them more prepared for the physical challenges of a long season? Is Barnes just that tough to play for?
 
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CAVPUT said:
So how is it that they can play defense at that level and not be beat up and worn out? Maybe they're not beaten down mentally and that makes them more prepared for the physical challenges of a long season? Is Barnes just that tough to play for?
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Being worn out mentally and physically wasn’t our problem. We couldn’t make shots consistently enough which was partly due to an offensive scheme that desperately needs to be revamped and partly due to a lack of overall shot making ability.
 
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Ah but folks keep saying we were tired, banged up and worn down by the season. Guess the saying is true....only the strong survive.
 
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