War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
In the first month, they never seriously threatened to "take" Ukraine. They wanted to do two things:
1. Scare the hell of Zelensky enough to get a deal cut about Ukraine in NATO, autonomy for people that identified as Russians etc
2. Keep the Ukrainians so concerned about defending Kyiv that they are not able to send as many forces to Donbas

You are smarter than this. If you really think the Russians are paper tigers based on them using kid gloves for the first 9-10 months of this conflict, you are misreading it badly. They didn't bring in nearly enough people to occupy Kyiv ( a city of 2.5 million), much less the entire country. Also, Russia didn't go in with "shock and awe" bombing campaigns to level Ukraine and send them to the stone age in the same manner that the US did in Iraq. Part of that is due to Ukraine's air defense early on, but the main reason is that they had no intention of destroying Ukraine infrastructure or citizens to only have to rebuild afterwards at a higher cost and losing more lives.
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Both of those things would be "taking".

they didn't bring enough to conquer because they thought they were sending in an occupying force, and weren't going to have to fight. likely because they believed their own lies, that the Ukrainians were secretly wanting to be saved.
 
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volinbham said:
my point is we've learned he could not have devoured Ukraine.

To me ND's answer to why we are so involved is the best - we made a pledge.
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You can read articles from the time, it didnt obligate the US to anything it wasnt already obligated to. Even Dallas unknowingly provided these quotes a year ago.
 
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volgr said:
See, that is better. Why didnt you lead with that? Although, unfortunately we have seen instances where western media says Russia bombed a mall but forgot to mention the mall was being used for a military purpose. Same for stories saying Russia bombed a school then leaving out the fact the school was being used as barracks.

Now, maybe this was a stray missile, or the area being used for military purpose or maybe the Russians were actually targeting civilians but that is the least likely option here.
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Lol, the least likely option?

One in 10 of Ukraine’s hospitals has been damaged in attacks from Russia in the last year, according to a new report released Tuesday.

That included 292 documented attacks that damaged or destroyed 218 hospitals and clinics.
Ukraine's health care infrastructure withstands a year of destruction
 
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volgr said:
See, that is better. Why didnt you lead with that? Although, unfortunately we have seen instances where western media says Russia bombed a mall but forgot to mention the mall was being used for a military purpose. Same for stories saying Russia bombed a school then leaving out the fact the school was being used as barracks.

Now, maybe this was a stray missile, or the area being used for military purpose or maybe the Russians were actually targeting civilians but that is the least likely option here.
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yeah sure every piece of civilian infrastructure, industry, or business was secretly being used for military purposes. So secret that even the Ukrainian military didn't know about it. So secret that no military deaths were ever found from those instances.

if the military was taking over those buildings, they would have kicked out the civilians. if for no other reason than to make sure the civilians didn't get in the way.

i love the way your mind works. Ukraine sent in 500 troops to occupy these places but were also letting mothers and sons run in to grab Dippin' Dots or the latest episode of the Nazi Death Cult propaganda series. No concern about the physical security of military equipment, national security matters of "keep it secret, keep it safe", or even military operation getting from Point A to Point B in a timely manner.

and its not like these were front line towns. these were cities in the rear with no need for the military to seize these buildings or operate out of them. That is just copium you use to attempt to make yourself feel better about what is actually going on.
 
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KB5252 said:
They have targeted civilians time and time again. Theyve killed them fleeing many cities.

They've bombed residential building after residential building in western Ukraine. You can't possibly have your head that far up your arse.

They absolutely did invade Ukraine....... Maybe you do have your head that far up your arse.

Since you've proven you don't even have the slightest shred of intellectual honesty there isn't a point in having any discussion with you on the matter.

I disagree with many on this board but I'm not sure I've ever seen someone so absolutely disconnected from reality. I can't explain in any other way short of mental illness. I pity you.
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Yeah, they target those areas because Ukrainian troops take up positions in residential areas. Russia isnt doing anything the US wouldnt do, hell they are probably doing more not to target civilians than we did in Iraq.
 
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LouderVol said:
Go look at your beloved attack on Mauripol. The Russians targeted the humanitarian corridors established to get civilians out. And it wasn't just stray strikes at the edges. The areas were targeted and the fleeing population suffered heavier losses fleeing than they did under the bombardment of the city. and before you get reactionary these were corridors established and maintained by the Russian's themselves.
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No, these claims were debunked a year ago.
 
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volgr said:
Yeah, they target those areas because Ukrainian troops take up positions in residential areas. Russia isnt doing anything the US wouldnt do, hell they are probably doing more not to target civilians than we did in Iraq.
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Still is against “the law of war” you cannot attack hospitals, civilian infrastructure, and schools.
 
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volgr said:
You can read articles from the time, it didnt obligate the US to anything it wasnt already obligated to. Even Dallas unknowingly provided these quotes a year ago.
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No I didn’t. You did what you always do and completely twisted the statements Larry.
 
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volgr said:
Not it is against "the law of war" to take up positions in civilian areas.
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Where is the proof that they were taking up positions in outskirts Kyiv last night? Did quite some damage to that apartment plus the infrastructure part too. Attacking power grids
 
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LouderVol said:
see you make these claims and never ever back them up. you just make un-backed up claims.
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Yeah, Im not going to waste 30 minutes of my team sifting through Google's trash to footnote things. Even if I did provide documentation, most of you wouldnt accept it.

At the time, last year, residents of Mariupol said it was Ukraine military targeting civilians trying to leave Mariupol, not Russia.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
Where is the proof that they were taking up positions in outskirts Kyiv last night? Did quite some damage to that apartment plus the infrastructure part too. Attacking power grids
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Power grids are military targets. Keep reaching, I am sure you will get there.
 
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volgr said:
Yeah, Im not going to waste 30 minutes of my team sifting through Google's trash to footnote things. Even if I did provide documentation, most of you wouldnt accept it.

At the time, last year, residents of Mariupol said it was Ukraine military targeting civilians trying to leave Mariupol, not Russia.
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right. Ukraine who was getting swept so bad by Russia they took time and resources out of their defense to blow up the civilians fleeing back towards Ukraine.

you really will believe whatever bs you are fed without applying any critical thinking.

Really curious about how these civilians knew who was shelling them. The Russian's had the city surrounded, so their attacks would have also come from behind, where "Ukraine" should have been.
 
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