War in Ukraine

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Paper_Towel said:
I've seen some grizzly videos of Azerbaijani soldiers who tried to one-up Russia against Armenian POWs.
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So have I. Armenian sources are saying one of their servicemen was captured by Azerbaijani forces this morning. I think most experts now in when/not if when this erupts again.
 
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volgr said:
I think Vietnam and the Gulf Wars did far more to hurt enlistment than the tranny stuff (although it certainly isn't helping either). What parent in their right mind would allow their child to enlist and put their life in the hands of these scumbag corrupt politicians?
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Actually I think enlistments were up during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Plus, since when does a parent have to give permission for someone to enlist?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The only thing you need to worry about with China is them possibly sinking US naval vessels in the Taiwan Straits. Not saying China would win, but it will not be a cake walk for either.

Also, you need to worry about the Chinese giving the crooks and criminals here ideas on lockdowns and social credit system.
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Just like Russia won't invade Ukraine?


Do you realize what you've done? You've just ensured conflict with China!
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why do we need to have a say in the first place? Why are we even involved in a border dispute in eastern Europe?
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The borders aren't in dispute. We know what and where they were. Russia is Deboeing neighbors causing conflict and instability in the region. Have been for more than a decade.
 
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Burhead said:
Something to keep an eye on is the growing tension once against between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Politicians in Azerbaijan have started laying the groundwork for a renewed military operation against Armenia and are open to using military force to achieve its objectives. Which experts are saying is the establishment of the:

Zangezur corridor - Wikipedia

This could cause a wider regional and perhaps international conflict because it could draw in Iran and Israel and perhaps even Turkey to a degree. Both countries are preparing because military convoys have been seen moving in both countries. Just another byproduct of Russia's failed invasion is more instability.
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Yeah, Russia had to default on its defensive alliance with Armenia pretty early on after the invasion of Ukraine. Apparently Russia couldn't spare the 1200 troops they had keeping the peace down there and had to pull out, even after Armenia invoked the CSPO or whatever.
 
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KB5252 said:
The borders aren't in dispute. We know what and where they were. Russia is Deboeing neighbors causing conflict and instability in the region. Have been for more than a decade.
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Even if true, and it isnt, still wouldnt be our problem.
 
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volgr said:
Russia has no need for a ceasefire. They have hundreds of thousands of now well trained troops ready to deploy if needed. Ukraine has a bunch of citizens they grabbed off the street and throw on the frontlines. It is amazing how badly you guys are reading the situation over there.
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Russia was asking for a ceasefire as recently as January. allegedly for the Orthodox new year, even though the requested time frame went well beyond that one day.

and ready to deploy? I thought they were already in the field? and I am not sure how you considers Russia's conscripts to be any more prepared for the fight than Ukraine's conscripts. they have literally had the same time to prepare and train. now certainly Ukraine has straight up civilians defending their homes, but when it comes to what we are considering Ukraine's "military" I would say they are at least as trained as the bulk of the Russian forces. There is no other way to explain why Russia hasn't had a big break through, or at least even definitively take Bakhmut. Apparently Russia has better strategy, tactics, leaders, logistics, ammo supply, equipment, manpower, will power, etc etc, yet they can't gain a hard edge that can be easily defined.

and because you always "conveniently" forget, I do think the situation is a lot more tenuous for Ukraine than they let on. I still think Russia "wins", I have no idea what that wins looks like but it will include at least the loss of Crimea. I have been saying it from the start, but you always "forget". I just also think that the situation is more tenuous for Russia than you do. You don't wait 9 months to quadruple your forces because you are winning. A gradual growth? Sure. Going from 150k to the claimed 700k in a few months? that speaks of more desperation than planning.
 
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volgr said:
In an urban environment like Mariupol, probably needs to be higher than even 3:1...but I gave the lower number and of course you balk at even that.
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again, source?
there was plenty of urban fighting in the examples I mentioned. for a militarily superior force, as Russia is supposed to be compared to Ukraine, it should not take 3:1 odds to take an urban setting. that would be prohibitively large forces that would take away from any other objective or holding of the line.

I want you to back up at least one of your claims. provide me some source I can actually read.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This is another escalation that the Russians specifically addressed a few weeks ago.
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No this is more baseless stupidity on your part as usual. Sabot AP rounds are standard ammunition for tank guns especially when fighting other tanks. We used them in WW2 they’re nothing new. They are supplying ammunition for the weapons they’ve committed nothing more.
 
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volgr said:
Even if true, and it isnt, still wouldnt be our problem.
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It is true and would take an extraordinary feat of mental gymnastics to argue otherwise.

The only part of your statement that's even debatable comes after your last comma.
 
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LouderVol said:
again, source?
there was plenty of urban fighting in the examples I mentioned. for a militarily superior force, as Russia is supposed to be compared to Ukraine, it should not take 3:1 odds to take an urban setting. that would be prohibitively large forces that would take away from any other objective or holding of the line.

I want you to back up at least one of your claims. provide me some source I can actually read.
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You guys keep going back and forth. One day Russia is a well trained military force the next day they are an poorly trained incompetent military that have a hard time doing the most basic of tasks. Pick one, please.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This is another escalation that the Russians specifically addressed a few weeks ago.
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The Western Death Cult wants in this fight so bad. Reminds me of wrasslin' I watched as a kid, in a tag team match where the partner is begging his buddy in the ring who is getting his ass kicked to tap him in. Then when his buddy finally struggles over and taps him in, the wrestler flamboyantly enters the ring peacocks around and proceeds to then get his ass kicked as well.
 
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volgr said:
You guys keep going back and forth. One day Russia is a well trained military force the next day they are an poorly trained incompetent military that have a hard time doing the most basic of tasks. Pick one, please.
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You serious Clark?

I thinks it's pretty obvious which side of that question he subscribes to. It's the same conclusion analysts have come to
 
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volgr said:
The Western Death Cult wants in this fight so bad. Reminds me of wrasslin' I watched as a kid, in a tag team match where the partner is begging his buddy in the ring who is getting his ass kicked to tap him in. Then when his buddy finally struggles over and taps him in, the wrestler flamboyantly enters the ring peacocks around and proceeds to then get his ass kicked as well.
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No, we want Russia to lose because they are the aggressor in classic David/Goliath scenario.

One could argue it's you Russia that wants this bloodshed. It's the same reason the Russians are using derogatory slang terms for the people they are oppressing. It's easier to mistreat them. Blame them for everything, when in fact Russia wants the resources and population center of that region and decided to take it when it wasn't given to them. They have utterly destroyed it though, and galvanized a nation against them. Russia will never be able to use this region in peace for decades even if they win it.
 
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