War in Ukraine

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BeardedVol said:
Russia agreed to a ceasefire on paper, twice previously, and then didn't adhere to them.

What makes you think that they'd actually do so now?
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Well they are getting their asses kicked at the moment so I’m sure they’d agree to it for a few months until they can rotate more conscripts in with some Chinese or N Korean ammo at least.
 
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volgr said:
You can say that and of course most people who don't follow the conflict closely will likely believe it. However, when one looks at how Russia took Mariupol relatively quickly while at a numbers disadvantage against some of Ukraine's best fighers, they see a different story. Russia can take key areas from Ukraine when they want, but most of the conflict has been a slow grind that leads us to today where Ukraine and the West to some degree in regards to equipment available to assist Ukraine, have been heavily demilitarized and it has come at a relatively low cost to Russia.
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Mariupol is on the border. It also took them from February 24th to May 20th, I don't know how you could argue 3 months as easy. They had to surround the city and shell it continuously. The first landmark to fall, the airport, took them a month to take. The first surrender didn't happen until April 4th. and some Ukrainian soldiers were able to break out of the city as late as April 11th.

And since when was Azob the best? They were never NATO trained. The best, subjective AF, Ukrainian unit that I can find reference to at Mauripol is the 36th Marines, and only one battalion of that Brigade were present, about 1000 men.

I am seeing Russia claiming to have killed 4k, and captured 6k more. The largest number I am seeing of Ukrainian defenders was 14k. I am seeing the Russians top out at 30k, but not all were engaged in the direct fighting, as they were shooting civilians trying to flee, I mean maintaining the siege.

again, I am finding your statements of "fact" impossible to back up even from Russian sources. The Ukrainian/western sources were saying just over 10k defenders fighting 45k Russians.
 
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LouderVol said:
Mariupol is on the border. It also took them from February 24th to May 20th, I don't know how you could argue 3 months as easy. They had to surround the city and shell it continuously. The first landmark to fall, the airport, took them a month to take. The first surrender didn't happen until April 4th. and some Ukrainian soldiers were able to break out of the city as late as April 11th.

And since when was Azob the best? They were never NATO trained. The best, subjective AF, Ukrainian unit that I can find reference to at Mauripol is the 36th Marines, and only one battalion of that Brigade were present, about 1000 men.

I am seeing Russia claiming to have killed 4k, and captured 6k more. The largest number I am seeing of Ukrainian defenders was 14k. I am seeing the Russians top out at 30k, but not all were engaged in the direct fighting, as they were shooting civilians trying to flee, I mean maintaining the siege.

again, I am finding your statements of "fact" impossible to back up even from Russian sources. The Ukrainian/western sources were saying just over 10k defenders fighting 45k Russians.
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He's devoid of fact and completely incapable of truth
 
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volfanhill said:
He's devoid of fact and completely incapable of truth
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I just want to see him back up his statements. He never does "because you don't read them anyway", but thats usually because its behind a pay wall. and if he does provide a source we can read it pretty much never says what he wants it to say.

Its the extrapolation of an extrapolation that he presents as unquestionable facts. and no you can't see the sources.
 
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LouderVol said:
Mariupol is on the border. It also took them from February 24th to May 20th, I don't know how you could argue 3 months as easy. They had to surround the city and shell it continuously. The first landmark to fall, the airport, took them a month to take. The first surrender didn't happen until April 4th. and some Ukrainian soldiers were able to break out of the city as late as April 11th.

And since when was Azob the best? They were never NATO trained. The best, subjective AF, Ukrainian unit that I can find reference to at Mauripol is the 36th Marines, and only one battalion of that Brigade were present, about 1000 men.

I am seeing Russia claiming to have killed 4k, and captured 6k more. The largest number I am seeing of Ukrainian defenders was 14k. I am seeing the Russians top out at 30k, but not all were engaged in the direct fighting, as they were shooting civilians trying to flee, I mean maintaining the siege.

again, I am finding your statements of "fact" impossible to back up even from Russian sources. The Ukrainian/western sources were saying just over 10k defenders fighting 45k Russians.
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Ohh boy. Typically an attacker wants roughly a 3:1 advantage if they hope to take an objective. At best, Russia had even numbers going into Mariupol. Early in the war, Ukraine's fighting force was well trained across the board, including Azov. To act like this is isn't true is weird on your part, but I guess you have to try and do that when the facts don't fit your narrative.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Translation:

Polls are accurate when they provide me with confirmation bias, and inaccurate when they do not.
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Polls are accurate when they are done by trustworthy polling companies. Does anyone really dispute that Putin's popularity has risen since the war began or that the Russian people have grown in support of the war since it started?
 
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volgr said:
Ohh boy. Typically an attacker wants roughly a 3:1 advantage if they hope to take an objective. At best, Russia had even numbers going into Mariupol. Early in the war, Ukraine's fighting force was well trained across the board, including Azov. To act like this is isn't true is weird on your part, but I guess you have to try and do that when the facts don't fit your narrative.
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The 2nd most powerful army in the world up against an inferior opponent needed numbers superiority to succeed?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! 😂🤡
 
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volgr said:
Polls are accurate when they are done by trustworthy polling companies. Does anyone really dispute that Putin's popularity has risen since the war began or that the Russian people have grown in support of the war since it started?
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So which companies are 'trustworthy polling companies'?

What are the requirements for being on the list of 'trustworthy polling companies'?
 
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There are obviously several key strategic reasons for Russia to want a ceasefire.

A) They know that in the minds of many people, it will legitimize the front lines as the borders of the countries (even without international recognition) as it did with Crimea.
B) They know the West will pressure Ukraine to honor the ceasefire while while Russia constantly violates it under the cover of it being "separatist rebels" doing the fighting.
C) They really do not want to deal with the upcoming Ukrainian counter offensive.
D) They want time to mobilize more troops and collect arms from China for when they inevitably continue their invasion.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So which companies are 'trustworthy polling companies'?

What are the requirements for being on the list of 'trustworthy polling companies'?
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A polling "company" backed by the Russian government will definitely be "trustworthy" because there is no doubt what the result will be.
 
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tvolsfan said:
There are obviously several key strategic reasons for Russia to want a ceasefire.

A) They know that in the minds of many people, it will legitimize the front lines as the borders of the countries (even without international recognition) as it did with Crimea.
B) They know the West will pressure Ukraine to honor the ceasefire while while Russia constantly violates it under the cover of it being "separatist rebels" doing the fighting.
C) They really do not want to deal with the upcoming Ukrainian counter offensive.
D) They want time to mobilize more troops and collect arms from China for when they inevitably continue their invasion.
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Ceasefires to restock and regroup are trademarks of all the old communist fighting forces. Anyone buying a Russian or Chinese ceasefire is a fool because they are nothing more than a quiet advance under the guise of peace.
 
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