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AM64 said:
Yeah. The concept was that you tip for good service. Now it's expected in many places ... restaurants, hotels, cabs, and the list keeps growing. Restaurants are printing tabs with what a certain percentage tip should be - like it's a service they are doing for us. If there's a certain number in a dining party, many restaurants add a gratuity to the bill. Seems like people should simply pay their staff a contracted price - not expect me to make up the difference, and I'll know from the start what the bill for my meal, hotel stay, cab ride, etc is going to cost. Most of us aren't tipped if you flip a light switch and the light comes on or SpaceCoastVol delivers you to the terminal without mishap. We should call a racket a racket - just like when the Mafia used to collect protection money. And the new 10% is now apparently more like 20%. I pay, but I feel strongly enough that I hardly go out to a restaurant because I'm turned off by the whole thing.
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Spacecoast's full salary is built into the cost of the flight. Restaurants can eliminate tips, but the price of your meal will go up and you'll still be paying the same total.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Spacecoast's full salary is built into the cost of the flight. Restaurants can eliminating tips, but the price of your meal will go up.
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That's fine - preferable in fact. I can add in percentages, but I'd rather just sit down and see the number rather than play silly games. We all have those things that get under our skin and annoy the crap out of us - tipping is a huge one for me whether it makes sense to anyone else or not.
 
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AM64 said:
That's fine - preferable in fact. I can add in percentages, but I'd rather just sit down and see the number rather than play silly games. We all have those things that get under our skin and annoy the crap out of us - tipping is a huge one for me whether it makes sense to anyone else or not.
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I'm not a fan of restaurants without servers including tip options on credit card payments now
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Spacecoast's full salary is built into the cost of the flight. Restaurants can eliminate tips, but the price of your meal will go up and you'll still be paying the same total.
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Yeah but how about a little something something for putting a 250,000 lb airplane on the runway like a butterfly with sore feet? :)

Oh to heck with that. Ima start planting them like I'm landing on a carrier.
 
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AM64 said:
Yeah. The concept was that you tip for good service. Now it's expected in many places ... restaurants, hotels, cabs, and the list keeps growing. Restaurants are printing tabs with what a certain percentage tip should be - like it's a service they are doing for us. If there's a certain number in a dining party, many restaurants add a gratuity to the bill. Seems like people should simply pay their staff a contracted price - not expect me to make up the difference, and I'll know from the start what the bill for my meal, hotel stay, cab ride, etc is going to cost. Most of us aren't tipped if you flip a light switch and the light comes on or SpaceCoastVol delivers you to the terminal without mishap. We should call a racket a racket - just like when the Mafia used to collect protection money. And the new 10% is now apparently more like 20%. I pay, but I feel strongly enough that I hardly go out to a restaurant because I'm turned off by the whole thing.
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You're all over the place with your rant.

The concept is still the same, you tip for good or excellent service. It's been part of the service industry for years...including the places you listed. Ward told Wally Cleaver to tip 15% to prep him for the first time he took his girl out for a date on Leave It To Beaver. The list keeps growing? I don't think it does. I think there are simply more service based transactions now compared to years ago.

Your model of paying servers a contracted price is routinely tried and those places typically fail. The last one I am aware of was in Minnesota. If you don't want to tip, don't. Your server, if decent, will make it up during the shift with others. There are plenty of dining options which don't have tipping as part of the culture.

It never was 10% (see reference to Ward Cleaver).

Protesting tipping by not dining out is the best way to make your cause known. But you should make sure you tell the owner/GM why you dont dine. Otherwise your silent protest is in vain.

I'll say this, people in the hospitality industry are working with the public all day. It isn't easy. Think about how irritating your experience with the general public is without interacting...driving, shopping, et al. Imagine that for a job AND your duty is to help them have a pleasant experience.
 
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McDad said:
You're all over the place with your rant.

The concept is still the same, you tip for good or excellent service. It's been part of the service industry for years...including the places you listed. Ward told Wally Cleaver to tip 15% to prep him for the first time he took his girl out for a date on Leave It To Beaver. The list keeps growing? I don't think it does. I think there are simply more service based transactions now compared to years ago.

Your model of paying servers a contracted price is routinely tried and those places typically fail. The last one I am aware of was in Minnesota. If you don't want to tip, don't. Your server, if decent, will make it up during the shift with others. There are plenty of dining options which don't have tipping as part of the culture.

It never was 10% (see reference to Ward Cleaver).

Protesting tipping by not dining out is the best way to make your cause known. But you should make sure you tell the owner/GM why you dont dine. Otherwise your silent protest is in vain.

I'll say this, people in the hospitality industry are working with the public all day. It isn't easy. Think about how irritating your experience with the general public is without interacting...driving, shopping, et al. Imagine that for a job AND your duty is to help them have a pleasant experience.
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Have you noticed hotels are putting envelopes in rooms for tips for the maids?

Some of the requests can also come from odd places. Clarissa Moore, a 35-year-old who works as a supervisor at a utility company in Pennsylvania, said even her mortgage company has been asking for tips lately. Typically, she’s happy to leave a gratuity at restaurants, and sometimes at coffee shops and other fast-food places when the service is good. But, Moore said she believes consumers shouldn’t be asked to tip nearly everywhere they go — and it shouldn’t be something that’s expected of them.
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Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes
 
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People tip more when the economy is good, and when they're not getting a death of a thousand cuts from taxes, and inflation.......change my mind. If someone works for tips and voted for Biden...they deserve to be broke. It's not my job as a consumer to compensate your poor choices. I will tip for dinner at a restaurant where I am serviced fully and well, and I will go 20% for good service, I might tip for other niche jobs like tour guide etc. But I am not tipping a maid, a fast food window etc etc.....and more and more i will just eat at home, and stay home, cause I seen this economy before under Carter growing up, it's spam and veg-all time people. Service industry is hurt by economic downturn the most but I guarantee most of them helped to vote us into this mess as well. Many of you grew up in the biggest economic booms in this nations history, and took them for granted....well now you have to learn what happens when you support those destroying your economy.
 
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AM64 said:
Yeah. The concept was that you tip for good service. Now it's expected in many places ... restaurants, hotels, cabs, and the list keeps growing. Restaurants are printing tabs with what a certain percentage tip should be - like it's a service they are doing for us. If there's a certain number in a dining party, many restaurants add a gratuity to the bill. Seems like people should simply pay their staff a contracted price - not expect me to make up the difference, and I'll know from the start what the bill for my meal, hotel stay, cab ride, etc is going to cost. Most of us aren't tipped if you flip a light switch and the light comes on or SpaceCoastVol delivers you to the terminal without mishap. We should call a racket a racket - just like when the Mafia used to collect protection money. And the new 10% is now apparently more like 20%. I pay, but I feel strongly enough that I hardly go out to a restaurant because I'm turned off by the whole thing.
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Of all the things to be annoyed by... tipping. Sees little issue with sending billions of US tax dollars to prolong killing overseas, but the idea of throwing an extra few bucks on top of that steak dinner is enough to disgust you and avoid restaurants.
 
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AM64 said:
Have you noticed hotels are putting envelopes in rooms for tips for the maids?

Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes
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I haven't, stay in hotels about 15 times per year. Have you noticed tipping housekeeping has always been part of the culture? Same for valet, concierge, bell hop, etc. I would have no issues with an envelope as it eliminates any confusion about cash setting out.
 
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McDad said:
Easiest way to fight back is to not frequent establishments where tipping is cultural and let owners and management know of decision.

Why complain about something you have complete control over? Waist of bandwidth, I think.
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I've had my say about the topic. It basically is that I want to know how much something is going to cost and not get into a bunch of addons - don't want to be nickeled and dimed. Like buying a car and all the extra charges for delivery, prep, fees for this and that, advertising charge. Those are all overhead and should be included in the price of the product.

Best story I ever heard was about the guy who owns the paint store I've used for years. He went down to a car dealer to buy a new truck. When he and the salesman had it all hashed out, the salesman said what kind of bumper do you want - this was back when people were buying trucks and getting heavier bumpers put on. He said he just wanted the bumper that came on the truck, and the salesman said it doesn't come with bumpers you have to add those. The guy said that was BS that by law they had to come with bumpers, walked out, and bought another brand at a different dealer. So a few months later the salesman came into the store to buy paint; Lee looked at him and said "Do you want it in a can?"
 
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AM64 said:
Have you noticed hotels are putting envelopes in rooms for tips for the maids?



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I am in hotels a LOT. About 2 years ago I started leaving a little bit for the housekeepers. There was no envelope or anything, I just left a little on the bed. If you have ever watched them, they work their asses off and I am sure they are way underpaid. I do it just because I think it is something that might brighten their day a little.

I've never noticed any envelopes in all the time I have been in hotels. I will start looking.
 
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I am in hotels a LOT. About 2 years ago I started leaving a little bit for the housekeepers. There was no envelope or anything, I just left a little on the bed. If you have ever watched them, they work their asses off and I am sure they are way underpaid. I do it just because I think it is something that might brighten their day a little.

I've never noticed any envelopes in all the time I have been in hotels. I will start looking.
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Of all the hotel staff, the housekeepers are the ones most deserving of tips at least if they are doing the job right and most seem to.
 
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McDad said:
I haven't, stay in hotels about 15 times per year. Have you noticed tipping housekeeping has always been part of the culture? Same for valet, concierge, bell hop, etc. I would have no issues with an envelope as it eliminates any confusion about cash setting out.
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I stay in a lot of hotels. Probably 60-70 nights a year. I’ve never seen envelopes for housekeeping.

On a related note, I prefer that nobody comes in my room to freshen it up during the entire stay. The DND sign stays on my door the entire stay. IMO, one of the best things to come out of COVID protocols was opt in housekeeping.
 
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