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vols 30 said:
Easy answer, Greg Maddux

I remember watching Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan back in the 80's, but I still go with Maddux
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I would pick Maddux too, maybe because I was living in Atlanta during the Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz years. But it’s really hard to compare him and Ryan because they are so different. Ryan was about overpowering and intimidating batters. Maddux just left them frustrated. Batters must have been thinking, “I should be able to hit this guy” right before they chased a slider, whiffed on a change-up, or hit into a double play.
 
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If you have a subscription to The Athletic, go read about Florida’s recruitment of Jayden Rashada. It’ll give you a major appreciation for Tennessee’s NIL operation. That kid just went from a $9 million deal at Miami to a fake $13 million deal at Florida to playing for fun at Arizona State.
 
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GAVol said:
If you have a subscription to The Athletic, go read about Florida’s recruitment of Jayden Rashada. It’ll give you a major appreciation for Tennessee’s NIL operation. That kid just went from a $9 million deal at Miami to a fake $13 million deal at Florida to playing for fun at Arizona State.
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It's insane to me that the first payment of $500k was due before he even enrolled at UF. I know all these schools are using it as an inducement to sign, but good grief, I can't believe they didn't make it less obvious.

Sounds like a lot of incompetence and too many cooks in the kitchen down there.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's insane to me that the first payment of $500k was due before he even enrolled at UF. I know all these schools are using it as an inducement to sign, but good grief, I can't believe they didn't make it less obvious.

Sounds like a lot of incompetence and too many cooks in the kitchen down there.
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Lol at anyone who didn't think this would happen. It's just bringing to light what's happened under the table for years.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Lol at anyone who didn't think this would happen. It's just bringing to light what's happened under the table for years.
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You're right. You had to know crap like this was going to eventually happen with overzealous fans and shady boosters, but it's still amazing how brazen it was to pay the kid before he even signed. Unreal to entice with a deal like this with nowhere near that much cash on hand or subscribers to cover the cost over time. Meanwhile, the Florida football program was obviously embracing an unaffiliated NIL collective which they obviously had not vetted. Just total amateur hour stuff.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Lol at anyone who didn't think this would happen. It's just bringing to light what's happened under the table for years.
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Never said I didn't think it would happen. Said it was surprising they didn't make it less obvious. That's nuts to structure the contract in a way so that it is very obviously an inducement to sign. Under the old rules, it'd be like having a booster give a Ferrari to a player on the field during halftime.

I wonder what UF and Miami saw in him as far as playing ability that other schools didn't. According to the recruiting services Rashada is a very good, but not elite, can't miss recruit. The NIL deals both schools offered him are just crazy expensive; way more than any other school was offering, and way more than even Nico got.
 
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05_never_again said:
Never said I didn't think it would happen. Said it was surprising they didn't make it less obvious. That's nuts to structure the contract in a way so that it is very obviously an inducement to sign. Under the old rules, it'd be like having a booster give a Ferrari to a player on the field during halftime.

I wonder what UF and Miami saw in him as far as playing ability that other schools didn't. According to the recruiting services Rashada is a very good, but not elite, can't miss recruit. The NIL deals both schools offered him are just crazy expensive; way more than any other school was offering, and way more than even Nico got.
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I think both schools are begging for just average QB play. I mean hell if we still had Matt Simms we probably would've considered paying that much.

I understand your post, my main point I'd most thought NIL would be some equalizer that would have strict rules. TXAM was the first to make NIL a joke and others followed suit.

I've seen his amount reported but not the details but I feel pretty confident in saying Nico's deal looks a lot like Rashada.

At this point just make CFB a minor league system and set a salary cap.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I think both schools are begging for just average QB play. I mean hell if we still had Matt Simms we probably would've considered paying that much.

I understand your post, my main point I'd most thought NIL would be some equalizer that would have strict rules. TXAM was the first to make NIL a joke and others followed suit.

I've seen his amount reported but not the details but I feel pretty confident in saying Nico's deal looks a lot like Rashada.

At this point just make CFB a minor league system and set a salary cap.
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Could be, but seems like they are just terrible at estimating market prices. They can have average QB play for way less than $9-13 million.

I don't know how many people thought NIL would be an equalizer with rules that can be enforced. I certainly did not. College athletics is an extremely unequal sport and has been for a long time. Way more unequal than professional sports. I saw it as a good thing because it has become an untenable argument that players can't get paid beyond their scholarship and $300 Beats headphones at the bowl game. It's been a quasi-professional sport for a long time and brings in billions of dollars. The NCAA rules re: impermissible benefits stopped making sense after about 1980.
 
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05_never_again said:
Could be, but seems like they are just terrible at estimating market prices. They can have average QB play for way less than $9-13 million.

I don't know how many people thought NIL would be an equalizer with rules that can be enforced. I certainly did not. College athletics is an extremely unequal sport and has been for a long time. Way more unequal than professional sports. I saw it as a good thing because it has become an untenable argument that players can't get paid beyond their scholarship and $300 Beats headphones at the bowl game. It's been a quasi-professional sport for a long time and brings in billions of dollars. The NCAA rules re: impermissible benefits stopped making sense after about 1980.
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And even though it seems like I totally hate NIL, I'm not all the way against it, I just think it's stupid the money comes from the fans. I think it should come out of the billions of dollars of revenue that the schools get off of TV contracts, tickets, merchandise etc.... The schools are still reaping in tons of benefits without getting hit very hard.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
And even though it seems like I totally hate NIL, I'm not all the way against it, I just think it's stupid the money comes from the fans. I think it should come out of the billions of dollars of revenue that the schools get off of TV contracts, tickets, merchandise etc.... The schools are still reaping in tons of benefits without getting hit very hard.
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They still don't want the players to be considered employees, which opens up another can of worms about unionization, other benefits, etc.
 
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GAVol said:
If you have a subscription to The Athletic, go read about Florida’s recruitment of Jayden Rashada. It’ll give you a major appreciation for Tennessee’s NIL operation. That kid just went from a $9 million deal at Miami to a fake $13 million deal at Florida to playing for fun at Arizona State.
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Cmon GA. They’re all playing for fun and love of the game..
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Its still not right for the universities to continue profiting their billions and raking fans dry either.
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It's no more money out of my pocket. Fans can give if they want to.

If you don't like the current NIL model, I can't wait to see your take on when the schools themselves pay players and they're considered employees.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
What's different about it? The players have and always will be mercenaries going to the highest bidder.
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they would immediately unionize and all of college sports is over

The laws and economics of them being employees is actually impossible but the above sentence ends any discussion of it before it has to start
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
What's different about it? The players have and always will be mercenaries going to the highest bidder.
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80% of athletic departments couldn't afford to do it and would shutter all other sports (unlikely) or choose to remain in the NCAA as is.

The 20-25 ADs that could would break away from the NCAA and form an organization that probably would label itself explicitly as "minor league football." The traditional rivalries/schedules would go away. Players would unionize and probably strike from time to time. It would resemble in no way the college athletics environment of 2022. Based on the comments you've made in this thread here about money ruining the sport, you'd absolutely despise it.
 
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A quick google search shows 65 P5 schools in 2019

25 made money at an average of $8m/year
40 lost money at an average of $16m/year

Now pay all college athletes, not just the football players. Pay the employer portion of their taxes. Pay the employer portion of their insurance. Etc

Get a grip dude. Donate to NIL or not, individual choice. No one is being sucked dry to support college athletics in their free time with their discretionary income.
 
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