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Of Manu Ginobili? I was just looking at some old NBA replays and they are quite similar. Ginobili was 3 inches taller and is from Argentina which is literally right next to the smaller Uruguay. Both are good shooters and sneaky good help defenders. Both have hairlines mature beyond their years.

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pimo1 said:
Of Manu Ginobili? I was just looking at some old NBA replays and they are quite similar. Ginobili was 3 inches taller and is from Argentina which is literally right next to the smaller Uruguay. Both are good shooters and sneaky good help defenders. Both have hairlines mature beyond their years.

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Yes Santi...you're a lot like Manu.
 
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Some similarities, sure. Both seem to have good vision and defensive instincts.

But my memories of Manu are him being the guy that didn’t necessarily invent the euro step, but popularized it. I wouldn’t say that’s anywhere near Santi’s speciality. Manu was great breaking down the defense with the ball in his hands.

And him being an absolute cold blooded killer in the clutch. I mean one of the best ever.
 
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pimo1 said:
Of Manu Ginobili? I was just looking at some old NBA replays and they are quite similar. Ginobili was 3 inches taller and is from Argentina which is literally right next to the smaller Uruguay. Both are good shooters and sneaky good help defenders. Both have hairlines mature beyond their years.

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Manu was a much better athlete and all round BBALL player. SV is s good college player but not the same caliber as Ginobili.
 
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pimo1 said:
Of Manu Ginobili? I was just looking at some old NBA replays and they are quite similar. Ginobili was 3 inches taller and is from Argentina which is literally right next to the smaller Uruguay. Both are good shooters and sneaky good help defenders. Both have hairlines mature beyond their years.

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Last season I took he my 77 year old mom to TBA to see him; she didn't comment on his game, she commented on his legs.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Some similarities, sure. Both seem to have good vision and defensive instincts.

But my memories of Manu are him being the guy that didn’t necessarily invent the euro step, but popularized it. I wouldn’t say that’s anywhere near Santi’s speciality. Manu was great breaking down the defense with the ball in his hands.

And him being an absolute cold blooded killer in the clutch. I mean one of the best ever.
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Not to mention he was a freak athlete! Let’s not forget that …
 
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Ginobli was a better athlete, was good leaper and had better handles. Santi is a great help defender like Manu was, and I think a better outside shooter.
 
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I never got to see Manu play as a "college senior"/international player and he came into the NBA at the age of 25.
Contrast that with Santi who just turned 21 ... 5 months ago. That should temper some of the comparisons.
That means he has 3.5 MORE years to work on developing his skills.
Just so we are clear ... Santi indicated that he was modelling his game after MANU!!! Manu IS his role model. https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/pro-insight-q-a-series-santiago-vescovi
I think coming in mid-season and starting should tell you a ton about Santi's skill set and comprehension of the game.
CRB calling him the most improved player on the team - 1 year later also speaks volumes on his work ethic.
I would say that they are comparable in a ton of ways!
All comparisons below are 25 vs 21, because I have no idea what Santi will become. Some categories I ignored.
YOU CAN'T TEACH HEIGHT .... Height is a factor. Manu is 3 inches taller and that makes a huge difference! Manu wins this one! And this one fact is HUGE!

I do not know if Santi will ever have the springs that Manu displayed (35"), but on the other hand we did not see much of Chandler's 40 inch jump on display either and I did see SV attempt a dunk at 18 and it was almost there. But that is never going to be his game.

offense
endurance - edge to MG - likely just age
3PT% - edge to MG - maybe age but height also
consistency of 3pt shot - slight edge to MG - maybe age but height also - both have worked on their shot a ton.
FT%
catch and shoot - edge to MG - age and experience - it has really helped his game to shoot from 24 in practice.
shoots off the dribble - edge to MG - age and experience - it is good to see him shooting more off the dribble.
passing ability - edge to MG
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intelligence/basketball IQ
body control - edge to MG - Santi would benefit from going to JJJ's yoga instructor

defense
aggressive/passive - both aggressive in style - edge to MG
charges and blocks - this one looks to be negligible
reads passing lanes
physicality - edge to MG
rebounder - both have a nose for the ball - edge to MG because of his displayed leaping ability

other
hustle and dive on the floor - Santi and Manu - Tie!
court savvy - I am going to wait on this one.
athleticism - MG
first step - MG
fluidity - MG
leaping ability - MG
personality - SV
team oriented - Tie!
star/ego
intangibles
hard-working - I really want to say tie for this one, but I won't.
toughness - Tie!
confidence - Tie!
driven - Tie!

Manu has better handles at 25 than Santi has at 21.
Manu has better right hand shot at 25 than Santi has at 21.
Manu's shot at 25 looks a little quicker than Santi's delivery at 21 ... I expect that to change as Santi's refines his game.

If Santi can play half the years that Manu was in the league - that would be a fantastic achievement.
 
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pimo1 said:
Of Manu Ginobili? I was just looking at some old NBA replays and they are quite similar. Ginobili was 3 inches taller and is from Argentina which is literally right next to the smaller Uruguay. Both are good shooters and sneaky good help defenders. Both have hairlines mature beyond their years.

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Let me help you out neighbor. YES, YES, YES. I have been a Spurs fan for over forty years, and have been telling, my small circle of Vol friends, the same comparison. I live in San Antonio since 1982 and had the privilege of watching him sacrifice for the good of the team. One particular memorable game against Phoenix, the entire team looked pathetic. in the first half and started out the second half the same way, which pissed Ginobili off. He became a selfish player for one game in his career and refused to lose! He scored 49 points in the second half. Santi has the same qualities and mind set, and I predict that he will make an NBA roster and play for many years to come. He sees the entire court and understand where every teammate is at all times. He is a driven and a competitor.
 
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I hope Santi comes back for his COVID year. That would give him 4.5 years of college BB and another year to work on his game. Greater maturity and more refined skills may have an real impact on him getting a roster spot in the NBA.
 
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robow said:
Let me help you out neighbor. YES, YES, YES. I have been a Spurs fan for over forty years, and have been telling, my small circle of Vol friends, the same comparison. I live in San Antonio since 1982 and had the privilege of watching him sacrifice for the good of the team. One particular memorable game against Phoenix, the entire team looked pathetic. in the first half and started out the second half the same way, which pissed Ginobili off. He became a selfish player for one game in his career and refused to lose! He scored 49 points in the second half. Santi has the same qualities and mind set, and I predict that he will make an NBA roster and play for many years to come. He sees the entire court and understand where every teammate is at all times. He is a driven and a competitor.
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I have always gotten a vibe from both of them that's... different.. Like they are that guy that's laid back chill probably rides a skateboard after each game and wears sandals with white tube socks. but at the same time can hang out with anyone and fit in. Kinda like Bill Walton or a Pistol Pete. Not in skillset or anything just kinda how they are built as people. Marches to the beat of his own drum but still fits in.
 
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I don't think so. Vescovi is one of the better players to play for Tennessee, approaches the game professionally, and I think will be very sorely missed when he's moved on. He's a great shooter, he has great game instincts, and he both understands and executes his role on both sides of the ball with precision. He is a real talent.

But Manu Ginobili's talent was All-Star level. S-tier. Best in class. His ability to control his body, his dribble, and most of all his defender, was phenomenal. He could, and often did, create plays with an almost casual level of brilliance. His anticipation block of Harden in the 2017 playoffs, on the tail end of his career, is a perfect example of his ability even at 39. That was ridiculous, but that was Ginobili. Now, granted, it's easier to innovate when you're playing alongside the best power forward of all time, but still, Ginobili was great regardless.

Anyway, I don't quite see SV as the second coming of Ginobili. That 3 inches of height is a lot of difference, and Ginobili's ability to get his body in the air and create, it really was unique.

But hey, if Vescovi does, awesome. Nothing but love from me. I already said it above but he will be missed when he's gone.
 
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tn4elvis said:
Manu was way more athletic.
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I don’t mean this as a criticism of Barnes. I repeat, I don’t mean this as a criticism of Barnes. I remember Santi playing much more fluid & open early in his career. He passed behind his back, faked passes, behind the back moves but you rarely see those now. He seems to play more structured since his first yr.

Please, I don’t mean this as criticism of Barnes. If you do, don’t get me involved.
 
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wmcovol said:
I don’t mean this as a criticism of Barnes. I repeat, I don’t mean this as a criticism of Barnes. I remember Santi playing much more fluid & open early in his career. He passed behind his back, faked passes, behind the back moves but you rarely see those now. He seems to play more structured since his first yr.

Please, I don’t mean this as criticism of Barnes. If you do, don’t get me involved.
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You mean back when SV made 9 turn overs in a game? So your saying Barnes has helped SV become a better ball player?
 
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walkenvol said:
You mean back when SV made 9 turn overs in a game? So your saying Barnes has helped SV become a better ball player?
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Yeah, the first game he played in a new country with teammates he’d had 3 practices with? Yeah. You guys with Barnes inferiority complex get me.
 
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