Kellie Harper discussion/debate thread [merged]

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glv98 said:
Anyone who feels that turnovers can be fixed simply with an "attitude adjustment" is dreamin'.
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Twinsbornoncampus said:
if not attitude, what then?
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what then,....,,concern, anger, a reaction,,,
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Twinsbornoncampus said:
Last year the team played all year together and never reduced their turnovers. I am not saying the team has a bad attitude, I am saying that reducing turnovers are not the players main concern.
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I know some of the turnovers are real head-scratchers and It's kinda shocking at how sloppy they are with the ball sometimes. Anyone who watches them play can see it. No secret there.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
its not about that,,,its about feeding your post high,,,passing ahead of pressure,,,focus.
Play that kinda crap ball for me and your riding pine,,,don't care what your NIL deal is!

For them to care, I hafta care
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Riding the pine is what some of them need. Kellie has to decide on her best 7 and develop cohesive team play.
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
What's with the attacks on John Harper from you and others? How do you know what he does or dosn't do for the program, or how valuable or not valuable he is? Besides, it's a mute point. The SOLE responsibility for the team's performance lies with the Head Coach. If she has a staff member who isn't contributing as much as he/she could, that's strictly and only on the head coach, since all assistants serve at her pleasure.
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I don't know him but if the AD decides that the program needs shaking up they always go after the assistant coaches. Nothing against Jon Harper. The expectations for this team after all the Portal transfers, signing Justine Pissott and Key Walker Puckett, Darby and Horston returning is Elite 8 or Final Four. If Horston is returning she is our go to player turnovers or not and she needs some help. I am having real problems understanding the redundancy of who we signed the last 3 years. We needed PG help and she found an experienced PG. She brought in highly recruited post player to back up Key, she still did not address the need for another power forward. Rickea or Horston can play as an athletic forward or wing, what are we doing about post and power forward physical help for this year? Franklin gets bounced around like a ping pong ball. Pucket and Suarez are 6-2, they may see themselves as wings but team first! Pissott is a 6-4 talent that needs a year in the weight room and training table. We are getting out rebounded and out physicaled. (no such word I know) Jillian Hollingshead looks the part but she needs development, maybe on the job training? We could lose double digit games the way this plays out and depending how effective Horston is when she returns. I do not want musical chair rotation of coaches like we did with football and men's BB and baseball to a smaller degree. Coach Harper said this team needed to be punched in the mouth, she got her wish. She mentioned mental and physical toughness and playing physical, that they have worked on "boxing out" Lets hope they are not bringing a knife to a gunfight. Harper has the resume and experience to do this job, but she has to produce, I hope she does. I like her and want her to succeed.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
its not about that,,,its about feeding your post high,,,passing ahead of pressure,,,focus.
Play that kinda crap ball for me and your riding pine,,,don't care what your NIL deal is!

For them to care, I hafta care
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It's NOT about being fast and quick? Then why do fast and quick teams full-court press teams that aren't fast and quick?
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
No cause it was originally designed for a Burrell drive. Not a play “specifically” designed for the 3.
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No, it was a designed play. Look at the replay. It shows Sara take a step back, rub her hands on her shorts, and get ready for the shot. She knew it was coming. Rae had driven to the basket to bring the defenders to her. It was a beautifully designed winning play by Kellie, and the players executed it perfectly.
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
No, it was a designed play. Look at the replay. It shows Sara take a step back, rub her hands on her shorts, and get ready for the shot. She knew it was coming. Rae had driven to the basket to bring the defenders to her. It was a beautifully designed winning play by Kellie, and the players executed it perfectly.
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But that’s not what they said in the interviews 🥴🥹
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
But that’s not what they said in the interviews 🥴🥹
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SARA PUCKETT: Well, I knew it was going to be crazy, crazy atmosphere, but those always great for us because it helps us to want to be able to do it for the fans as well.
Going through this, I was open and the ball was coming to me. I knew I was going to knock down the shot. I knew everybody on the bench and everybody on that court had every ounce of confidence in me. They always tell me that. So as soon as I got it, I knew what I was going to do with it.

Apparently Kellie drew up 3 options on that play.

Kellie:

Then I think somebody asked about the end of the game and the poise, they didn't blink. I mean, they came over to the bench, what do you want me to do? I drew it up, and they went out and executed. That's where they were at.
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
SARA PUCKETT: Well, I knew it was going to be crazy, crazy atmosphere, but those always great for us because it helps us to want to be able to do it for the fans as well.
Going through this, I was open and the ball was coming to me. I knew I was going to knock down the shot. I knew everybody on the bench and everybody on that court had every ounce of confidence in me. They always tell me that. So as soon as I got it, I knew what I was going to do with it.
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Again….the play was originally drawn up for Burrell to drive to the basket, if the drive wasn’t there, Puckett was an option. I don’t know how else to slice and dice it for you all. It was a play specifically designed for a 3 pointer. 🥴 Jesus!
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
No cause it was originally designed for a Burrell drive. Not a play “specifically” designed for the 3.
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Your original comment is the one I responded to. The designed play included the 3 point shot by Sara, it was not just a lucky pass by Rae to Sara, who just happened to be open and waiting to take the shot. Therefore, yes, the 3 point shot was specifically designed.
 
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Twinsbornoncampus said:
How would you fix the turnover problem, I am assuming you are fully awake
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Coach Jumper said:
For them to care, I hafta care
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VOLPAT said:
Riding the pine is what some of them need
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First thing I'd address to curb turnovers is to have a better offensive system. Many of our turnovers are the result of panic decision making bc players get caught with the hot potato ball as the shot clock is winding down bc we have a haphazard offense. Same thing that makes us throw up so many crazy, desperation prayers in traffic in the lane hoping for a foul.

I'd also work like hell on a better system of breaking full court pressure. I'd incorporate lots of film study (which I'm sure they do already) of turnovers and how and why they happen. Work on poise and cool headed decision making! This is so much easier when you have an actual offense. Passing in general is a huge area of improvement for us.

Some of the problem also is simply that we have a few players whose skill set is a little lacking. Sounds harsh, but having more talented, quicker, more "complete" players would help cut turnovers.

The last thing I'd worry about is "attitude" "caring" and resulting punishment. Do you really, really think the problem is that players don't care if they make a million turnovers, lose the game, and look awful on national TV? If that is the cause of any turnover, simply not giving a damn, not only would I punish that, that player would have a hard time ever getting out of my doghouse. But obviously, no one makes turnovers on purpose as a naughty act so focusing on punishment is silly, juvenile, wasted time.

Turnovers are result of limited skills, lacking poise, and an outdated, laughably predictable system that enables poor decision making.
 
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We might as well go ahead and tell where the turnovers are coming from and who needs to get better at not turning it over. Jackson 14, Horston 9, Powell 8. Walker 6, Hollingshead 5. We have 62 turnovers as a team and these five players have 42 of them. The big two are Jackson and Horston going for an average of over 9 per game between the two of them. Hollingsheads 5 is glaring since she has only played a total of 31 minutes this season. Powell eight is acceptable for 105 minutes and her 15 assists gives her almost a 2 to 1. Walker only has six always seems more like 106 but that also is not that many for 78 minutes. So out of these five players you are getting 14 turnovers a game so the rest of the team is only committing six so these five is where we need a lot of improvement.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
We might as well go ahead and tell where the turnovers are coming from and who needs to get better at not turning it over. Jackson 14, Horston 9, Powell 8. Walker 6, Hollingshead 5. We have 62 turnovers as a team and these five players have 42 of them. The big two are Jackson and Horston going for an average of over 9 per game between the two of them. Hollingsheads 5 is glaring since she has only played a total of 31 minutes this season. Powell eight is acceptable for 105 minutes and her 15 assists gives her almost a 2 to 1. Walker only has six always seems more like 106 but that also is not that many for 78 minutes. So out of these five players you are getting 14 turnovers a game so the rest of the team is only committing six so these five is where we need a lot of improvement.
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That's been the case the last few years - Davis, Burrell, and Horston made by far the bulk 2 yrs ago, Burrell, Horston, and Walker last year. Jackson has taken the Burrell role this season Of course this group plays the most minutes and also has the ball in their hands the most so that explains some of it. That's why Powell's number is high, she plays the most and handles the ball. Hollingshead hasn't played in a long time and does not seem comfortable yet but I think hers will go down.

As I said before, an upgrade to an offense the players can be comfortable in would help a ton, as should just playing together more. Horston and Jackson particularly would benefit from an organized offense since they would not get stuck with the ball in their hand trying to make a hero play late in the shot clock so often. Lots of t.o.s fm that scenario.
 
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Volfaninfl2 said:
Your original comment is the one I responded to. The designed play included the 3 point shot by Sara, it was not just a lucky pass by Rae to Sara, who just happened to be open and waiting to take the shot. Therefore, yes, the 3 point shot was specifically designed.
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Listen, whatever floats your boat, I said what I said. It was SPECIFICALLY designed to drive to the basket. If that wasn’t there, she had an option to dish, but the play was “specifically” drawn up with the intent of Rae driving to the basket….not a 3 point shot. The 3 point shot was an OPTION of the SPECIFICALLY drawn out play of Rae…..driving to the basket.
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
Listen, whatever floats your boat, I said what I said. It was SPECIFICALLY designed to drive to the basket. If that wasn’t there, she had an option to dish, but the play was “specifically” drawn up with the intent of Rae driving to the basket….not a 3 point shot. The 3 point shot was an OPTION of the SPECIFICALLY drawn out play of Rae…..driving to the basket.
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Whatever the options were, the miracle is that Rae kicked the ball out rather than bulldoze the lane for a prayer. Love Rae, but making that call was not her strong point last season.
 
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