Bama player appeared to hit woman as he left the field…

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walkenvol said:
So you reached out to his HR department concerning his tweeter post? If so, how is it you don’t identify with the cancel culture?
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So you jumped to false conclusions concerning my post? How is it that you identified that outcome when I didn't indicate it?

No, I did not. As I said, I'm not a cancel-culture kinda guy. But not everyone is like me and it wasn't very hard to identify information about this POS. Thus the "f'n idiot" comment.
 
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walkenvol said:
Your opening yourself up for litigation if you fire someone for being late unless you have a written policy in place that is equally enforced to all employees. The guy absolutely has a case unless his company has something similar concerning private social media posts.
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Tennessee is an At Will Employment state.

From the top of the TN Dept of Labor & Workforce Development's own Employee Rights page:

Are there any legal restrictions against firing, suspending or disciplining employees?
Employers may legally terminate an employee at any time for any reason, or for no reason without incurring legal liability. However, an employer may not discriminate against any employee on the basis of the employee's race, sex, age, religion, color, national origin, or disability. Likewise, an employee is free to leave a job at any time for any or no reason with no adverse legal consequences.

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But you seem like a super knowledgeable fella who who only gives legal opinions on things you're knowledgeable about. I'm sure you're right and the TDoL&W is wrong.

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The_Big_Orange said:
to everyone defending this or justifying it.

I would have a really hard time believing that you do not think that it’s ok to hit women if you think they deserve it.
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Definitely any man who hits a woman who poses them no threat, is simply despicable. I'm not an attorney so I don't know how it would play out in court. Fans were not supposed to be on the field so you could argue the fan loses their rights by trespassing. But the other side is, if I jaywalk and someone hits me, the fact I was illegally crossing a street does not indemnify the motorist to then hit me with if they could have otherwise avoided me. The bama player was not under any threat and reacted out of anger. Not sure if it is a legal matter but discipline certainly should be considered by the SEC office.
 
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walkenvol said:
I know exactly what I’m talking about and have seen it play out in real life.
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In an At-Will state, the employer can fire you for anything outside of the protected categories (race, religion, sex orientation, etc) and they are not obligated to prove they would fire anyone else for the same reason. So if they want to fire you for making a twitter post they deem is harmful to their company or business, they are within their rights to show you the door without having to fire other employees for their twitter posts.
 
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Fox News picked up the article but the tik tok clips look to have been removed from the story. Hmmmmm

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The Original Fade said:
You don’t know how wrong you are
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Actually he is correct. Reason being is bc there is a reason for the firing. If you fire someone for said reason, you have to be consistent based off of that reasoning. The employer messed up here by stating the reason in which the employee was fired. I’m an at will state, your best bet in gray area situations is to terminate someone for no reason at all. Don’t state a reason and you will be good to go.
 
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willinhf said:
So, the player can push the fan.....
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Re-read my second sentence of the post you quote: "Nobody is going to say that simply being on the field is going to justify being struck."

You also misrepresent my Texas Tech reference: I included it to show just one very recent example (3 weeks ago) of why visiting players can reasonably fear this as a hostile environment. A full day of being mooned while arriving, watching beer get thrown on your alum, and being insulted by crass signs waved on national TV would have further contributed to this.

But I guess I don't need to say all that - just look at Nick Saban being escorted off the field by three armed guards. You think the players don't know why that's needed?
 
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walkenvol said:
I know exactly what I’m talking about and have seen it play out in real life.
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I have a friend who was recently fired for a comment he made on Facebook. I switched jobs this year to work for what people consider a "woke" company. One of the first things they told us during orientation, was they monitor social media, and anything offensive would cost our job. Not taking sides, just saying it absolutely happens, especially in fire at will states.
 
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WilcoVolsFan said:
Slander has never been protected speech.

Did you actually read the article you posted? Because this was the second sentence.
The rapper, who goes by Ye, erroneously declared on a podcast that Floyd died from fentanyl, not as the result of police brutality.
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Heart disease, fentanyl contributed to George Floyd's death but were not main cause, medical examiner says | CNN

"George Floyd’s heart disease and use of fentanyl were contributing factors to his death, but they were not the direct cause, the medical examiner who performed his autopsy testified on Friday in the trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin."

It is not slander to say fentanyl was a contributing cause of his death when the medical examiner himself said it.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
Definitely any man who hits a woman who poses them no threat, is simply despicable. I'm not an attorney so I don't know how it would play out in court. Fans were not supposed to be on the field so you could argue the fan loses their rights by trespassing. But the other side is, if I jaywalk and someone hits me, the fact I was illegally crossing a street does not indemnify the motorist to then hit me with if they could have otherwise avoided me. The bama player was not under any threat and reacted out of anger. Not sure if it is a legal matter but discipline certainly should be considered by the SEC office.
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I see your point, but are there NO TRESPASSING signs posted around the playing field? I doubt it, but even if there are everyone knew the fans were going to rush the field if Tennessee won. Alabama definitely knew it.
It’s what happens in huge moments of an epic sporting event. It happens in all levels of different sports all over the world…….
 
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GhostVol said:
While that's true, it's a facile argument to say "if someone hadn't done X then Y <bad thing> wouldn't have happened"

Her being on the field in no way excuses Burton actively reaching out and hitting her..... or the other guy he did it to.
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It's looks really bad on him from a public image standpoint. Unfortunately, I don't see how legally someone would have grounds to call what he did was illegal, given the fans were not allowed on the field in the first place.
 
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joevol33 said:
I have a friend who was recently fired for a comment he made on Facebook. I switched jobs this year to work for what people consider a "woke" company. One of the first things they told us during orientation, was they monitor social media, and anything offensive would cost our job. Not taking sides, just saying it absolutely happens, especially in fire at will states.
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If you review my post I said unless they have a written policy in place and apply said policy equally across all employees. It’s not so easy as folks seem to think to just can someone who has history of quality job performance and annual reviews. You “can” randomly fire folks without any reason but you’re opening yourself up to having to defend yourself from litigation. I’ve always thought that was why many corporations have periodic down sizings in order to cull their worst employees under the guise of a reason that’s rarely litigated.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
Heart disease, fentanyl contributed to George Floyd's death but were not main cause, medical examiner says | CNN

"George Floyd’s heart disease and use of fentanyl were contributing factors to his death, but they were not the direct cause, the medical examiner who performed his autopsy testified on Friday in the trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin."

It is not slander to say fentanyl was a contributing cause of his death when the medical examiner himself said it.
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Except that's not what he said.
 
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walkenvol said:
If you review my post I said unless they have a written policy in place and apply said policy equally across all employees. It’s not so easy as folks seem to think to just can someone who has history of quality job performance and annual reviews. You “can” randomly fire folks without any reason but you’re opening yourself up to having to defend yourself from litigation. I’ve always thought that was why many corporations have periodic down sizings in order to cull their worst employees under the guise of a reason that’s rarely litigated.
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walkenvol said:
Your opening yourself up for litigation if you fire someone for being late unless you have a written policy in place that is equally enforced to all employees. The guy absolutely has a case unless his company has something similar concerning private social media posts.
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Most companies do have social media policies nowadays.
 
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SATX VOL said:
Actually he is correct. Reason being is bc there is a reason for the firing. If you fire someone for said reason, you have to be consistent based off of that reasoning. The employer messed up here by stating the reason in which the employee was fired. I’m an at will state, your best bet in gray area situations is to terminate someone for no reason at all. Don’t state a reason and you will be good to go.
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WilcoVolsFan said:
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That doesn’t keep you out of court in the real world because there are reasons you can’t fire folks. Fire someone and give no reason and they lawyer up to claim they were fired because they were a minority, female, old, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I’m not making this up - it really happens and if your in a larger company your company lawyers will review any firing and sign off on them as legit or advise to reinstate.
 
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WilcoVolsFan said:
Except that's not what he said.
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--It was a fact that drugs contributed to his death.

--Was the expert witness in the trial committing slander when said there was no injury at all to Floyd's neck and that the knee to the neck was not enough force/pressure to kill Floyd? Is it therefore slander for Ye to simply repeat what expert witnesses testified to?

 
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