War in Ukraine

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JuicyBrucey said:
Take this article about the Bucha massacre, for example. Guerra en Ucrania: Rusia asegura que las imágenes de la matanza de Bucha son un montaje | Internacional | EL PAÍS (elpais.com)

It's about as even-handed and unbiased as you're going to find regarding the war in Ukraine, which is surprising since it was published in the EU. But it also reports that the Russian government alleges the massacre was staged. The article states only facts: Russian forces are in Ukraine and the Russian government says the massacre in Bucha was staged by the Ukrainians. The article gave no opinions.

The American equivalent would say something like, "The INVADER committed a HOLOCAUST in Bucha!!! Today, the Russian LIARS LIED and SLANDERED the HERO Zelensky by saying it was staged!!!"
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This article makes it pretty clear that Russia was behind the massacre, even if it didn’t say anything sensational and acknowledged Russia’s denial.
A really good pre-war article is this one that came out in January predicting a war between the USA and Russia. This journalist really nailed it. ¿Guerra entre Rusia y Estados Unidos? (lavanguardia.com)

It discussed Putin taking over the Crimea being one motivation of the conflict, but it also discussed the Americans expanding NATO, and even mentioned how the USA didn't want the Nordstream 2 pipeline to come online even though it benefited the Germans and Russians. And how these conflicted interests could cause exactly what we've been watching since February. It mainly focuses on the USA vs. Russia as Ukraine is merely the porkchop the two big dogs are fighting over.
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This second link is clearly an opinion piece like many we saw prior to the invasion.

When I clicked on that authors name to look at other articles she had written, I found this:

Tres meses de guerra en Ucrania

This article definitely does not make “all three sides” seem equally bad.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
Take this article about the Bucha massacre, for example. Guerra en Ucrania: Rusia asegura que las imágenes de la matanza de Bucha son un montaje | Internacional | EL PAÍS (elpais.com)

It's about as even-handed and unbiased as you're going to find regarding the war in Ukraine, which is surprising since it was published in the EU. But it also reports that the Russian government alleges the massacre was staged. The article states only facts: Russian forces are in Ukraine and the Russian government says the massacre in Bucha was staged by the Ukrainians. The article gave no opinions.

The American equivalent would say something like, "The INVADER committed a HOLOCAUST in Bucha!!! Today, the Russian LIARS LIED and SLANDERED the HERO Zelensky by saying it was staged!!!"

A really good pre-war article is this one that came out in January predicting a war between the USA and Russia. This journalist really nailed it. ¿Guerra entre Rusia y Estados Unidos? (lavanguardia.com)

It discussed Putin taking over the Crimea being one motivation of the conflict, but it also discussed the Americans expanding NATO, and even mentioned how the USA didn't want the Nordstream 2 pipeline to come online even though it benefited the Germans and Russians. And how these conflicted interests could cause exactly what we've been watching since February. It mainly focuses on the USA vs. Russia as Ukraine is merely the porkchop the two big dogs are fighting over.

Meanwhile, in the USA, the mainstream news articles are limited to op-ed pieces parroting the government.
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Checking different sources is obviously a good idea.

One of the news outlets compared satellite photos before and after Ukraine regained Bucha to check bodies on the streets and determined Ukraine didn't stage them. They could only check what was visible by satellite.
 
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JuicyBrucey said:
All of the rapes should be mentioned. They happened then, they happen now. Like all wars, this one includes rape. There are reports of Russian troops raping ethnic Ukrainians and Ukrainian troops raping ethnic Russians. Of course, the latter isn't reported in mainstream American media as the reporting on this war is heavily censored in the USA, though to a lesser extent than Germany who actually sentenced a journalist to three years in prison for giving a voice to local residents in the war zone. You pretty much have to go to Rumble or foreign media (not German media, obviously) to access interviews of locals that run counter to the narrative presented in the American media. In countries where freedom of speech and freedom of press are actually practiced instead of boasted about, a more nuanced and accurate picture of the war is presented, with Russia, Ukraine, and the USA all looking like **** in rather equal proportions.
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Lol at including the US as looking as bad as the other two. At least from what has come up from this conflict.

Only way we are on the same scale is if literally every piece of Russian bs about US is true regarding this situation. Based on nothing but probability that's not going to happen.

And again. The "counter arguers" arent bringing truth. They are just bringing straight up state owned Russian media as if it's better. Or North Korean, Chinese, and Iranian sources.

I am not sure who either side would consider true third party media, not tied to either side of the conflict, but those sources clearly arent being shared.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I don't see this as nothing other than normal warfare. Not sure what the problem is to be honest.



Obviously because to look into the mirror is very hard for most people to do.

At the end of the day this is just normal warfare, if people don't like it... well, too bad.

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I love that you think you are countering my argument.

This is exactly the argument I was making to ND. We are seeing typical warfare with playgrounds getting hit. The rape isnt new, but that doesnt make it ok, and doesnt mean that either side should get away with it.
 
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LouderVol said:
I love that you think you are countering my argument.

This is exactly the argument I was making to ND. We are seeing typical warfare with playgrounds getting hit. The rape isnt new, but that doesnt make it ok, and doesnt mean that either side should get away with it.
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Anyone that is saying its different or long ago or something like that... doesn't want to look in the mirror. If that is you or someone else. If that is not you, good.

I would say Russia has been fairly pleasant so far, I wouldn't have been so nice... he might regret being so nice at some point. Sometimes pulling the band aid off all at once is the least pain.... what is going on in the Ukraine is just one big meat grinder.

-> The Ukrainians really don't have any friends. <-

The sooner they figure that out probably the better.
 
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volgr said:
This is why I label the West a death cult. It's not just the fact we havent advocated peace but have gone out of our way to almost ensure the worst possible outcome in Ukraine is achieved. Our Fed Govt is corrupt to its core.
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For some death may be preferable to enslavement under Russia. You wont understand the fight until you understand that.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Of course you don’t buy it Curly you can’t get off Pootin’s sack long enough to even think about it. And absolutely none of the people you are interacting with believe what you’re asserting so deflection denied. And you continue to show you have zero ability to identify or even parse logical fallacies 🤡
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Lol. You all really love talking about Pootin's sack.
 
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volgr said:
I'll give Ritter credit, he was right back in early summer when he warned about Ukraine training a large group of troops for a counter offensive. We'll see if he ends up being right here, but I would say this would be worst case scenario for Ukraine and completely plausible considering what Russia is sending into Ukraine and how they will no longer be constrained by the SMO.

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keep pumpin that pedo kiddo
 
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With Belarus’ actions, what can we expect now? I hadn’t been keeping up much until I woke up and saw Russia’s assault from last night.
 
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apevol said:
hes also predicted nothing but doom for ukraine on a daily basis
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Yep. I think RT is currently about the only place that will host his op-Ed’s. Might be some other Russian state media outlets. But due to his repeated pedo issues he’s persona non grata outside of Russian shill sites. And they only put up with him because he’s a token Westerner they can hold up for show. They likely have as much contempt for his pedo ass as everyone else.
 
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AM64 said:
I was actually thinking about Gorbachev, but I guess he was considered more Soviet than Russian. Don't forget Medvedev had the title for a while, too, after the Soviet breakup - not sure how reasonable he was, but he did seem less thuggish than Putin ... although that's a lot like saying somebody was to the right of Lenin or Stalin.
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Medvedev was a placeholder.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Well this isn't the first time you've talked about Pootin's sack. And you and your pals always bring it up first.
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Yeah we routinely point out how much time you, Moe, and Larry all spend on Pootin’s sack that’s true.

“You do realize I don't buy the criticism you and others direct towards Russia.”
 
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LouderVol said:
For some death may be preferable to enslavement under Russia. You wont understand the fight until you understand that.
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They are doing exactly what their master is saying right now or more like paying for. Your definition might be different than mine, I mean if agreements are "enslavement", that would mean the United States is enslaved to the North Koreans.

They are free to fight until the last Ukrainian though, the deals from either side are not going to get better for them.
 
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