War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've explained my position plenty of times. My hope is that the leaderhip that we have in the West gets disgraced and discredited without them plunging us into a nuclear catastrophe. Everyone knows that Ukraine wouldn't matter diddily-squat to anyone is it wasn't a play area for mmembers of the political class in the West and a hotbed for all sorts of crime and corruption. Plus, due to its geographic location, it introduces a close threat to Russia. The West wishes it had a weak Russia like the 1990s that they could rape and pillage. But Putin came along and stopped that. Now they are hellbent of using Ukraine as their proxy to try to weaken Russia and hope to get them in a quagmire like we seem to always find ourselves getting into.
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Look, that's not going to happen. The west has to change itself, and it is hopefully beginning to happen. Russia is way too weak to be an instrument of this unless nukes become involved, then everyone loses. Your position is the one of hoping the Vols lose all their games so that they will fire a particular coach.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Lol. He is not exploiting them. This is the media trying to stoke racial tensions once again. They have been doing this now for the past 7 to 8 years.
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And there it is. As he claimed and we’ve seen before no standard of proof meets your bar unless it’s what you agree with. Clown. 🤡
 
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The Saudis getting nukes..and that is what the world is coming to. They have the money..
The current Iranian plan will lead to that.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And there it is. As he claimed and we’ve seen before no standard of proof meets your bar unless it’s what you agree with. Clown. 🤡
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Lol. I want to see the actual proof. If you cannot provide it then it is hard for me to believe.

And what you are accusing me of applies to you and the other Ukrainian propagandists and trolls on here. Some who even seem to be posting all hours of the day. Go take a look in the next available mirror.
 
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DonjoVol said:
That is what is mind boggling to me is that some supposed conservatives are now believing every single thing they hear regarding Ukraine. At this point I am really starting to question their conservatism and think they would just rather keep recycling the same old neocon and democrat politicians over and over in the U.S.
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They really are not true conservatives because true conservatives are non-interventionists. Plus, they for whatever reason have a true visceral disdain for Russians or Slavs. I don't understand it. They come up with all kinds of generalizations about Russians that portray Russian people as backwards, violent barbarians. Meanwhile, The West right now (with the US leding the way) has been involved in all kinds of regime change activites and destruction of countries since the first Iraq War. And our wicked society and culture here in the West is not being accepted in many of these countries outside of their sphere of influence. The global south, East Asia and Russia/eastern Europe do not like the direction the Western culture is going and don't want that s^^t in their countries. These leaders need to be dicredited and disgraced. And this winter, Putin won't need to fire a shot at Brussels, London or DC to make The West crumble. When people can't keep warm, keep their jobs and keep their bellies full, then the people will be on the streets. Good.... hopefully we see these leaders hung on lamp posts.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Lol. I want to see the actual proof. If you cannot provide it then it is hard for me to believe.

And what you are accusing me of applies to you and the other Ukrainian propagandists and trolls on here. Some who even seem to be posting all hours of the day. Go take a look in the next available mirror.
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There is nothing that you’ll accept unless it’s whatever you agree with clown. It’s what you do every damn time.
 
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Geopolitical games...
If we didnt have this dipshit incompetent admin, I would sleep a little better. This radical administration is not known for their subtle and compromise.
 
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Orangeburst said:
What I posted earlier..same position as Trump really, but totally different nuance.

I gotta think it is more Energy Control and CC
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These American manipulators have convinced the Europeans that America can meet their energy demands by shipping LNG to them. But this is a math and physics problem. The US doesn't have the facilities, ships or capacity to delivery at the same volume, price and reliability as Russian pipeline gas and the Europeans don't have the port facilities and other necessary infrasturcture to receive it. These leaders in Europe are idiots and the have allwed themselves to be played by clever American sales pitches.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
These American manipulators have convinced the Europeans that America can meet their energy demands by shipping LNG to them. But this is a math and physics problem. The US doesn't have the facilities, ships or capacity to delivery at the same volume, price and reliability as Russian pipeline gas and the Europeans don't have the port facilities and other necessary infrasturcture to receive it. These leaders in Europe are idiots and the have allwed themselves to be played by clever American sales pitches.
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That was my nuance..Sure Trump stupidly claimed we could ship LNG, but was correct in getting off them off enemy gas.
Dang..the Euros look like dolts.

If some of this stuff we are hearing is true..we may have a EU America split. Of course we are talking seismic shift, but millions go without heat in EU..who knows. Setting up in our own nation really
 
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Burhead said:
I think having fought two very destructive world wars in Europe we have vital interest in keeping the peace in Europe. Not to mention I would rather contain Russia in Ukraine and/or Georgia (for example) than one day allowing them to be brazen enough to roll T-72s into Tallinn, Riga, Vilnius or through the Suwalki Gap where it really would force our hand.
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At what point willEurope take care of Europe? This is not our concern.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, Ho Chi Minh asked Truman to help get the French out of the area after WWII and Truman ignored him. Blown opportunity. Ho Chi Minh had no one else to turn to but the communists.

Not saying that the US should have sent military assets to Vietnam, btw. I'm saying that the US had the authority to pressure the French in much the same way Roosevelt wanted the UK to liberate their colonies across the globe. That didn't work out too well for FDR, however.
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You're right that FDR claimed at least that colonialism should go away, and it appears he was sincere. You have to wonder what if anything he would have done about Soviet colonialism though, or how the Soviet Union being a collection of countries would have been viewed - whether colonialism or something similar to the current EU ... with just a little extra resolve to keep it all under Russian control.

Vietnam was a mess, but Ho Chi Minh could simply have left it up to the people instead of trying to run a state as he saw fit - people don't just wake up one fine morning and decide they want to become a communist state - it's always happened via bloodbaths well organized by communist fundamentalists. As far as French recolonization, that is really not in dispute, and neither is US support for France. What most people seem to ignore is why the US became involved and supported the French in Vietnam. France was on the brink of going communist, and the cost to the US to stop it (and potentially all of Europe crumbling) was to support the French government's SE Asia policy. That and the domino theory for all of SE Asia seem to be the stuff that determined our policy according to historians. Imagine without Russian (Soviet if you prefer) meddling and instigation how the post WW2 world might and evolved far more peacefully.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Why the Uk and Israel? They both have em
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They would likely use them as either a false flag (UK) or use them pre-emptively (Isreal). I can say this because both countries have a history of doing those things.

The Saudis are just loose cannons that are brazen enough to do just about anything (Jamal Khashoggi).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You say this as though it is a given that a US media company would use a social media post to build a black list.

And we are here gnashing our teeth about Putin?

You guys have already accepted your slavery here in 2022 America. Twitter doing anything to blcklist or cancel anyone for voting in a poll is simply unAmerican and worthy of condemnation... not worthy of a person like you being fearful of attacks.

This is the fascist/corporatist system that Putin has been fighting against and talked about in his speech last week. Our govts in the West have noe targeted their own people as enemies (Jan. 6, Canadian truckers, MAGA, heterosexual men, etc)
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This isn't a matter of debate or speculation. Employees of twitter have specifically stated that they are doing so. Theoretically, it is just for use by the company but the reality is that there is a very high likelihood that they are sharing their profiling data with government agencies, both here and abroad (including China).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They would likely use them as either a false flag (UK) or use them pre-emptively (Isreal). I can say this because both countries have a history of doing those things.

The Saudis are just loose cannons that are brazen enough to do just about anything (Jamal Khashoggi).
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Uhhh.What?
The UK and Israel already have nukes.
 
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AM64 said:
Imagine without Russian (Soviet if you prefer) meddling and instigation how the post WW2 world might and evolved far more peacefully.
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The US had just as many, if not more instigations and meddlings as the USSR. Guatemala, Iran, The Congo, Vietnam, Laos, Chile, Domincan Republic...

You act like America was out here spreading freedom and democracy. Stop drinking the Kool-aid.

And what do you mean by "Soviet if you wish"? That is what it was. That is a fact. The USSR is not the Russian Federation of today or Tsarist Russia before the revolution. That was a unique and terrible time for the people in that region for over 70 years.
 
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