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orange parmejohn said:
i have to disagree, gv. the hostesses are assigned, as representatives of the university, to accompany recruits, during their visit to the university. that is absolutely open for conversation. just as it is talking about the players that are assigned to them. no one ever mentioned her name until she became openly involved, romantically, with the recruit that she was assigned to. in fact, i have never heard mention of any but 2 specific hostesses. both for the same reason.
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I guessed I missed it, but where has it been reported that her and Bryce are romantically involved?
 
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Tenacious D, that is your list and not something you pulled from somewhere else, right?

I think I can verify everything in there based on reading the same articles.

I think you might have missed one article, though, which offered some more details on him.

A decent job of collecting data, if you did make this. Too bad it will be buried and these same questions will be asked 100 more times between now and August.
 
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From today's Wichita, Kansas newspaper:

Oregon's Harper will finish year

BY JEFFREY MARTIN
The Wichita Eagle
Chris Harper, the former Northwest High football star, will finish his freshman year at Oregon and then mull his options, his older brother said Tuesday.

"We're going to evaluate things," Ladale Harper said.

Harper originally committed to Kansas State during his senior season at Northwest, but changed his mind soon afterward for a variety of reasons. But when Ron Prince was fired and Bill Snyder was re-hired in November, Harper began to think about home.

He told the Eagle in December, "Out of all of the schools, I felt most comfortable at K-State.... When I was on campus at K-State, I felt totally comfortable. I have friends on the team -- it just felt right. I don't how else to explain it -- it just felt right."

Despite being hobbled by a groin injury, Harper carried 35 times for 137 yards and two touchdowns and caught nine passes for 122 yards and two touchdowns for Oregon (10-3), which finished the 2008 season with a 42-31 victory against Oklahoma State in the Holiday Bowl.

But his position of choice remains quarterback, where he completed 4 of 9 passes for 40 yards, a touchdown and two interceptions despite a balky right shoulder that did not require offseason surgery. He was one of four quarterbacks used by the Ducks in 2008, and with Oregon's first practice scheduled for March 30, Harper will likely spend the spring seeing how he fits into the Ducks' plans.

Harper's situation, according to his older brother, has no bearing on the extended recruitment of East running back Bryce Brown, who is also considering Oregon and K-State.
 
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Tenacious D said:
Like you guys, I scour everything I can find on Brown, if for no other reason than to pass the time until March 16th. In doing so, I found these random items on Brian Butler to be somewhat interesting, and thought that maybe some of you might as well.

I don't know which (if any) have been posted elsewhere, but thought that they might add a "dimension" to what is a central figure (or "champion" as CLK may call him) in the recruitment of Bryce Brown.

  • Prior to becoming a mentor / trainer, Brian Butler was a manager of a T-mobile call center. He also worked at a liquor store and as a telemarketer.
  • Butler was also an assistant football coach at a rival school.
  • He once attempted a rap career under the stage name of, "Big B". He claimed to have once opened a concert for Ludacris, but this was unconfirmed.
  • Butler is an ordained minister.
  • Butler pleaded guilty to a felony charge for fraud in 1997, which has been expunged from his record. He had to settle a state tax warrant last year for almost $1,000.
  • Butler is 5'8" and weighs 350lbs. His 40 time was unavailable.
  • Butler played football at Kansas State (transferred in from JUCO, Ft. Hayes State)
  • Butler charges $15 -$18 per player, per training session. If held at the local YMCA, the per session fee is raised to $25. The article made no mention of what role, if any, the Village People fulfilled in these session.
  • The gym where Potential Players athletes work out is owned by Mark Simoneau, and ex-NFL player and Kansas State alum.
  • For those session held at his gym, Butler splits the session rate(s) with Simoneau, 50/50
  • Tom Lemming has publicly stated "liking" Butler.
  • Butler actually owns / operates two (2) businesses.
  • The first, Potential Players is non-profit, and as Butler describes, "deals with more of the spiritual side,"
  • The second, L.I.F.E. Training LLC, is notably for profit, and "focuses on aiding the recruiting process as well as physically training athletes."
  • Potential Players is located in Wichita, KS, but it's non-profit status was filed and is maintained in the State of Illinois.....two states over to the East.
  • Butler first approached the Brown family with a "non-monetary contract" before Arthur and Bryce entered high school.
  • The "non-monetary" contract allowed the Brown brothers to receive free training, if they agreed to "sit in the front row of each class, to attend weekly bible studies (lead by Butler), and to be leaders in their school..."
  • Butler made this comment in Feldman's article on ESPN when questioned about the subscription cost of this potentialplayers.com site,"I'm the one that does the work. I'm the one that's typing the stories (emphasis mine). Obviously, I'm the one that should be getting paid." With this in mind, go back and re-read several of the "articles" on his site, if for nothing more than a quick laugh, especially in those instances when he refers to himself in the 3rd person, which is almost every other sentence.
  • Knowing that Butler authors the content on the site, do his "true" colors show in this quote which was intended to defend his fee-for-service training model: “My goal was never to get rich financially off of training kids, but if it happened that way so be it (emphasis mine), but that would take a whole lot of training”. Personal comment: I would say that starting a website and charging a subscription is one way that you just might "happen" to get rich off of "training kids".
  • In a later interview with Bruce Feldman, again regarding his subscription, Butler was quoted as saying, "Why shouldn't I get paid?"
  • Butler claims that his 3-page business model for Potential Players was given to him in 1999 via an epiphany from God one night while dreaming.
  • Butler originally partnered with ex-Nebraska star DeAngelo Evans in his business(es), but nothing indicates that he remains active, nor explains what might have happened to his ownership interest, if anything.
  • His "Summer Tour" involves him driving 15-20 of his athletes around to different schools for "unofficial" visits, encompassing several states. He claims it was patterned off of what the Ginn Academy of Cleveland, OH does with his trainees each year.
  • From Matt Hinton's article: "Recently fired Kansas State coach Ron Prince also discouraged KSU boosters from donating to Butler's program, largely because it could come back as a recruiting violation if the Wildcats landed one of his players."
  • Contrast this with the comments Butler assigned to newly re-hired KSU coach, Bill Snyder, "He’s in total support. I just thank him very much for his respect.”
Coach Cheney - Butler Connection?
I couldn't find anything definitive that they could have crossed paths or may have known one another before the Brown recruiting saga began. However, I do know that Coach Chaney is originally from Holden, MO (232 miles from Wichita), he attended Central Missourri State (186 miles from Wichita), and most importantly, he recruited the midwestern U.S. while coaching at Wyoming and Purdue.

I did find one "midwestern" coaches clinic that Jim Chaney and Coach Joe Tiller held / attended in 1997 or so, but no city was listed (only photos). Brian Butler was neither shown nor mentioned in the photos.

I couldn't substantiate this rumor, but neither could I refute it. It at least seems plausible that they could have met during his time at Purdue.

What does all of this mean? I have no idea. Take it with a grain of salt, if at all. Or, simply ignore it.
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Dude, wow. Much more interesting than Vol hostess discussions.
 
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Great work... TenD.

My fav is that Butler's 40 time is unknown. Only question is...

does anyone know how long the clock has been running since he started the timed event?
 
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orange parmejohn said:
i have to disagree, gv. the hostesses are assigned, as representatives of the university, to accompany recruits, during their visit to the university. that is absolutely open for conversation. just as it is talking about the players that are assigned to them. no one ever mentioned her name until she became openly involved, romantically, with the recruit that she was assigned to. in fact, i have never heard mention of any but 2 specific hostesses. both for the same reason.
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Their actions while hosting the recruits should definately be under discussion. However, when you get into their personal lives while not officially representing the university, that's when a person crosses moral/ethical lines. Don't forget the main point though. If I don't agree, all I have to do is refrain from participating in said conversation/speculation. :thumbsup:
 
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the Cane fans are certain he is theirs. They are saying that CRS asked him point blank and that is the only reason he still has an offer.
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Only one can fan said this...and the other cane fans told the rest of the board he was full of it...
 
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I just heard that Lsu has a few of its old players in town from the NFL to talk to Bryce Brown not sure if this is true but it was from a buisness owner who I talk with who lives in Baton Rouge. He told me that Joseph Addai was in town from the Colts and is going to be on campus working out this weekend. Also Charles Scott the Big RB, Rueben Randle and Shepard will be his co-host. Hopefully we do not wake up Monday morning and hear that Bryce Brown has schedule a press conference. I still think there a 60 percent chance he goes to Maimi.
 
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Tochap said:
I just heard that Lsu has a few of its old players in town from the NFL to talk to Bryce Brown not sure if this is true but it was from a buisness owner who I talk with who lives in Baton Rouge. He told me that Joseph Addai was in town from the Colts and is going to be on campus working out this weekend. Also Charles Scott the Big RB, Rueben Randle and Shepard will be his co-host. Hopefully we do not wake up Monday morning and hear that Bryce Brown has schedule a press conference. I still think there a 60 percent chance he goes to Maimi.
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As soon as I heard he was visiting LSU, I knew we were in trouble. I really think this kid wants to win now, and doesn't want to have to win on his own. While I don't agree with the idea that he would have a better chance to win now at LSU over UT, I do think those 2NC and SEC championship trophies over the last 7 years offer a lot of mystique. If this is true, it can be nothing but bad news for us.:no:
 
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See Me No Morley said:
As soon as I heard he was visiting LSU, I knew we were in trouble. I really think this kid wants to win now, and doesn't want to have to win on his own. While I don't agree with the idea that he would have a better chance to win now at LSU over UT, I do think those 2NC and SEC championship trophies over the last 7 years offer a lot of mystique. If this is true, it can be nothing but bad news for us.:no:
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what makes you think he wouldnt have to do it all by himself if he went to lsu?
 
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Its pretty obvious when they have two Senior RB's coming back with one who would have been a late first round pick. They have a decent QB looks like with Jefferson and they have Shepard who a game breaker and WR. They are loaded in Off is the Qb position producers.
 
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two of those SEC trophies and both NCs had to come through Tennessee to do it. So It is not as bad as you think. We are about even.
 
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Tochap said:
I just heard that Lsu has a few of its old players in town from the NFL to talk to Bryce Brown not sure if this is true but it was from a buisness owner who I talk with who lives in Baton Rouge. He told me that Joseph Addai was in town from the Colts and is going to be on campus working out this weekend. Also Charles Scott the Big RB, Rueben Randle and Shepard will be his co-host. Hopefully we do not wake up Monday morning and hear that Bryce Brown has schedule a press conference. I still think there a 60 percent chance he goes to Maimi.
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Yeah... but it's hard to think about Joseph Addai and his college home without thinking about the League MVP who leads Addai's team and his college home. JA was a bit of letdown this year for the Colts. On the other hand, Peyton was back to his phenomenal self.

I also can't think about Les Miles separate from Larry Coker anymore. The parallels are just too obvious. All the LSU hype should subside after another Miles season that matches his last one.
 
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The name of this thread is Bryce Brown....& this thread is in the recruiting forum.

Please re-read Freak's request to keep the recruiting forum on topic.....

PLEASE Stay ON TOPIC in player threads!
 
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Just use ignore, without seeing Tochap's troll statements this thread is about Bryce Brown again.

BB looks good in ORANGE.
 
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Bryce Brown does look good in orange but will look even better if he's hopefully jumping into a checkerboard over BSpikes and going toe for toe with Tebow.
 
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Tennessee Jack said:
Tenacious D, that is your list and not something you pulled from somewhere else, right?

I think I can verify everything in there based on reading the same articles.

I think you might have missed one article, though, which offered some more details on him.

A decent job of collecting data, if you did make this. Too bad it will be buried and these same questions will be asked 100 more times between now and August.
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None of the items listed are my own, but rather, are simply transcribed as fragments from several "traditional" journalistic sources which I happened to come across while searching for information on Brown.

Originally, I intended to link each of the article(s), but the list became too large and cumbersome.

I assume that most VN members have read a majority, if not all of the articles I reviewed, or quoted. I found a couple of things interesting in reading them all:

1) While Bryce Brown is not only the #1 recruit in the '09 class, Rivals lists him as the top recruit in the last 5 years - but it is the "mentor" Butler who has received (rightfully or not) the predominate press and attention, and does so to this day. I have a hard time believing that this wasn't just as Butler has intended, all along.

2) For me, a new and interesting picture of Butler began to emerge as I compiled the list. Each tidbit served to form a larger mosaic, so to speak.

I believe that Butler is neither wholly "good" nor menacingly "evil", but rather, a somewhat bumbling opportunist who got "in" with the Brown family at an early stage when Arthur and Bryce were relatively unknown outside of Wichita. He gambled little more than his time and effort that one - or both - would be large enough to put him / his services on the "map" so to speak. To some degree, this was the case with Arthur, but nothing in comparison to the opportunity which was presented when Bryce became the #1 recruit in the country. As the coaches of Wichita's inner city schools have made him unwelcome to say the least, this is his one big chance - and maybe the only one he'll ever have - to finally become too prominent to ignore. For whatever you may choose to believe about him, Butler is not stupid - he's going to milk this for every cent that it's worth, both literally and figuratively.

When considering that Bryce Brown graduated in January and could not only be signed - but enrolled - at this very moment, it's hard to determine who derives a greater benefit than Butler in delaying the process. What prevented Bryce from taking these additional visits, or from fasting and prayerfully considering - which are all important and even admirable things to do for large decisions, in my opinion - from graduation until February 3rd? Unfortunately, it appears to be nothing more than Brian Butler, and the promoting of his own selfish interests.

Most unfortunately, at least in the minds of some, Bryce Brown will be somewhat stigmatized by this entire fiasco for some time, regardless as to where he ultimately attends college. In the minds of millions, he will long be linked (however loosely) to a man who has sought to promote his own self-aggrandizing interests not only above, but somewhat at the expense of what appears to be a remarkably decent and earnest 18-year old kid with an extraordinary gift for the game of football. In so doing, whether you believe that he is a calculating sinner or naive saint, Brian Butler committed his greatest wrong. Fittingly, I suspect that he'll soon discover that this will also prove to be his gravest mistake to the larger football community, and in the future, will find that he has been further ostracized well beyond the City of Wichita, Kansas.
 
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The reason Brown is so important to UT recruiting is basically:

1) our defense will be awesome this fall and beyond. That's a key to success in college football shared by Pete Caroll and Nick Saban. Monte may have the best defensive mind in all of football making UT the smartest defensive team in the SEC. Saban has never been second best in college football in his conference on that measure. That's partially why he paniced so much about letting players come to UT and meet Monte. They would have been blown away. Yet, we have the horses on defense that Monte needs. That side of the ball will be fine this fall.

2) our offense is the concern. But, it's hard to know if we have a good O-line or not. They have all sorts of power and potential, yet none of that materialized last fall. Our failure to establish a running game (could have been the scheme as many have said) effected our pass blocking and our ability to get any passing game. I'm not trying to make excuses for our QB play, but I don't know if Peyton faced more pressure his first year with the Colts or not. It was an impossible task for the QB, and so I don't know if we have QB or not. As for WR's, we have them (and the Frosh coming this fall will help tremendously). Now, I don't know about you, but if BB is all that most everyone thinks he is, he'll just need a little help from the rest of the offense to get it moving. He can't do it alone--and, yes, even BB knows that. But, if I'm thinking about this in the right way, he could be a tremendous difference maker for our offense. If we move the chains on offense this fall, this will be a great season for Kiffin and Company that will include results on the field. Imagine having Jamal in our backfield next fall. We're simply a better offense. I like Oku, but he's not the back that BB is. BB can do a lot more on his own.

If we get BB, just keep me away from Kool-Aid.
 
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Before anyone pens him as the next Tony Dorsett, get him on campus, go thru drills, and see where he stacks up.

Any kid...that takes this long to figure out his choice, scares me. Prima Donna, ego, me over team, ect......... This is cause of concern IMO. UT needs kids that WANT to be at UT! Period. They understand the expectations and have a love for the program and the University. That is the kind of player you want (see Ryan Karl). That kind of player will give his right arm for UT. BB ......would he do that for the team, NO. Not based on what I have seen. I still want him at UT, but lets wait and see how he pans out first.
 
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peaygolf89 said:
Before anyone pens him as the next Tony Dorsett, get him on campus, go thru drills, and see where he stacks up.
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Most are penning him as the next Reggie Bush, but even if he's nothing more than the next Tony Dorsett, I'd be okay with that. :p
 
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Bryce Brown graduated high school back in November (not December!) and had concrete plans to enroll at Butler Community College in El Dorado, Kansas to work on his academics. I still don't understand what that entailed, but it never happened. Butler publicly stated that Brown's academics suffered because of the conflicts with recruiting.
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