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Harper is a main reason that BB has Oregon in his top 3. If he is unhappy and is considering a transfer that does not bode well for Oregon. Hopefully he has been in BB's ear about it.

Maybe they both end up at the same school.
 
#3,403
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SpringBokVol said:
Harper is a main reason that BB has Oregon in his top 3. If he is unhappy and is considering a transfer that does not bode well for Oregon. Hopefully he has been in BB's ear about it.

Maybe they both end up at the same school.
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Perhaps one with an uncertainty at QB this fall although I know... set out a year, etc.

What about Brown's brother? Can't we help these guys find a CFB home?
 
#3,409
#3,409
i asked that lacey Earps chick:

"ive heard you hosted bryce brown on his visit and you two are pretty close... do you think he will end up coming to UT?"

She responded with:

"i'm not sure where he's going.. i respect that this is a huge decision in his life, and i try not to influence him. therefore, football doesn't enter most of our conversations. in the end, bryce will do what's best for him (i personally think that tennessee is the best place for him :) lol). i know that the Lord will guide him in making the right decision."

... doesn't really help much but i'm sure she is trying to convince him to come to UT... not because of football, but for her.
 
#3,411
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am I the only one who thinks it's strange to be talking so in depth about the hostesses and their lives? No offense to anyone who is...it's interesting to say the least. I just find it bordering a violation of privacy and such.
 
#3,412
#3,412
Indianavol4eva said:
i asked that lacey Earps chick:

"ive heard you hosted bryce brown on his visit and you two are pretty close... do you think he will end up coming to UT?"

She responded with:

"i'm not sure where he's going.. i respect that this is a huge decision in his life, and i try not to influence him. therefore, football doesn't enter most of our conversations. in the end, bryce will do what's best for him (i personally think that tennessee is the best place for him :) lol). i know that the Lord will guide him in making the right decision."

... doesn't really help much but i'm sure she is trying to convince him to come to UT... not because of football, but for her.
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She knows he's coming... I hope.
 
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govols87 said:
am I the only one who thinks it's strange to be talking so in depth about the hostesses and their lives? No offense to anyone who is...it's interesting to say the least. I just find it bordering a violation of privacy and such.
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how was i talking about their life together? i just said i knew they were close and asked if she knew where he planned to go?
 
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govols87 said:
am I the only one who thinks it's strange to be talking so in depth about the hostesses and their lives? No offense to anyone who is...it's interesting to say the least. I just find it bordering a violation of privacy and such.
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No you are not. I also find it strange, but if she can get us some inside info on BB I'll gladly read it. It's like a car crash I can't turn my head from.
 
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govols87 said:
am I the only one who thinks it's strange to be talking so in depth about the hostesses and their lives? No offense to anyone who is...it's interesting to say the least. I just find it bordering a violation of privacy and such.
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That's what happens 227 pages into a thread
 
#3,416
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govols87 said:
am I the only one who thinks it's strange to be talking so in depth about the hostesses and their lives? No offense to anyone who is...it's interesting to say the least. I just find it bordering a violation of privacy and such.
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Wherever we can get our information from. Right now, I consider her the most reliable source out there b/c we are not getting it from anyone else.
 
#3,417
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govols87 said:
am I the only one who thinks it's strange to be talking so in depth about the hostesses and their lives? No offense to anyone who is...it's interesting to say the least. I just find it bordering a violation of privacy and such.
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Welcome to the offseason. When news is scarce, people go to any lengths to fulfill their need for information. Whether it be 40 times, depth charts, jersey numbers, or hostess girlfriends, people have to find something to obsess over until kickoff on September 5th. I'm one of them.
 
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bdarnell said:
Welcome to the offseason. When news is scarce, people go to any lengths to fulfill their need for information. Whether it be 40 times, depth charts, jersey numbers, or hostess girlfriends, people have to find something to obsess over until kickoff on September 5th. I'm one of them.
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I hate the off season.
 
#3,419
#3,419
Like you guys, I scour everything I can find on Brown, if for no other reason than to pass the time until March 16th. In doing so, I found these random items on Brian Butler to be somewhat interesting, and thought that maybe some of you might as well.

I don't know which (if any) have been posted elsewhere, but thought that they might add a "dimension" to what is a central figure (or "champion" as CLK may call him) in the recruitment of Bryce Brown.

  • Prior to becoming a mentor / trainer, Brian Butler was a manager of a T-mobile call center. He also worked at a liquor store and as a telemarketer.
  • Butler was also an assistant football coach at a rival school.
  • He once attempted a rap career under the stage name of, "Big B". He claimed to have once opened a concert for Ludacris, but this was unconfirmed.
  • Butler is an ordained minister.
  • Butler pleaded guilty to a felony charge for fraud in 1997, which has been expunged from his record. He had to settle a state tax warrant last year for almost $1,000.
  • Butler is 5'8" and weighs 350lbs. His 40 time was unavailable.
  • Butler played football at Kansas State (transferred in from JUCO, Ft. Hayes State)
  • Butler charges $15 -$18 per player, per training session. If held at the local YMCA, the per session fee is raised to $25. The article made no mention of what role, if any, the Village People fulfilled in these session.
  • The gym where Potential Players athletes work out is owned by Mark Simoneau, and ex-NFL player and Kansas State alum.
  • For those session held at his gym, Butler splits the session rate(s) with Simoneau, 50/50
  • Tom Lemming has publicly stated "liking" Butler.
  • Butler actually owns / operates two (2) businesses.
  • The first, Potential Players is non-profit, and as Butler describes, "deals with more of the spiritual side,"
  • The second, L.I.F.E. Training LLC, is notably for profit, and "focuses on aiding the recruiting process as well as physically training athletes."
  • Potential Players is located in Wichita, KS, but it's non-profit status was filed and is maintained in the State of Illinois.....two states over to the East.
  • Butler first approached the Brown family with a "non-monetary contract" before Arthur and Bryce entered high school.
  • The "non-monetary" contract allowed the Brown brothers to receive free training, if they agreed to "sit in the front row of each class, to attend weekly bible studies (lead by Butler), and to be leaders in their school..."
  • Butler made this comment in Feldman's article on ESPN when questioned about the subscription cost of this potentialplayers.com site,"I'm the one that does the work. I'm the one that's typing the stories (emphasis mine). Obviously, I'm the one that should be getting paid." With this in mind, go back and re-read several of the "articles" on his site, if for nothing more than a quick laugh, especially in those instances when he refers to himself in the 3rd person, which is almost every other sentence.
  • Knowing that Butler authors the content on the site, do his "true" colors show in this quote which was intended to defend his fee-for-service training model: “My goal was never to get rich financially off of training kids, but if it happened that way so be it (emphasis mine), but that would take a whole lot of training”. Personal comment: I would say that starting a website and charging a subscription is one way that you just might "happen" to get rich off of "training kids".
  • In a later interview with Bruce Feldman, again regarding his subscription, Butler was quoted as saying, "Why shouldn't I get paid?"
  • Butler claims that his 3-page business model for Potential Players was given to him in 1999 via an epiphany from God one night while dreaming.
  • Butler originally partnered with ex-Nebraska star DeAngelo Evans in his business(es), but nothing indicates that he remains active, nor explains what might have happened to his ownership interest, if anything.
  • His "Summer Tour" involves him driving 15-20 of his athletes around to different schools for "unofficial" visits, encompassing several states. He claims it was patterned off of what the Ginn Academy of Cleveland, OH does with his trainees each year.
  • From Matt Hinton's article: "Recently fired Kansas State coach Ron Prince also discouraged KSU boosters from donating to Butler's program, largely because it could come back as a recruiting violation if the Wildcats landed one of his players."
  • Contrast this with the comments Butler assigned to newly re-hired KSU coach, Bill Snyder, "He’s in total support. I just thank him very much for his respect.”
Coach Cheney - Butler Connection?
I couldn't find anything definitive that they could have crossed paths or may have known one another before the Brown recruiting saga began. However, I do know that Coach Chaney is originally from Holden, MO (232 miles from Wichita), he attended Central Missourri State (186 miles from Wichita), and most importantly, he recruited the midwestern U.S. while coaching at Wyoming and Purdue.

I did find one "midwestern" coaches clinic that Jim Chaney and Coach Joe Tiller held / attended in 1997 or so, but no city was listed (only photos). Brian Butler was neither shown nor mentioned in the photos.

I couldn't substantiate this rumor, but neither could I refute it. It at least seems plausible that they could have met during his time at Purdue.

What does all of this mean? I have no idea. Take it with a grain of salt, if at all. Or, simply ignore it.
 
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#3,422
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Tenacious D said:
Like you guys, I scour everything I can find on Brown, if for no other reason than to pass the time until March 16th. In doing so, I found these random items on Brian Butler to be somewhat interesting, and thought that maybe some of you might as well.

I don't know which (if any) have been posted elsewhere, but thought that they might add a "dimension" to what is a central figure (or "champion" as CLK may call him) in the recruitment of Bryce Brown.

  • Prior to becoming a mentor / trainer, Brian Butler was a manager of a T-mobile call center. He also worked at a liquor store and as a telemarketer.
  • Butler was also an assistant football coach at a rival school.
  • He once attempted a rap career under the stage name of, "Big B". He claimed to have once opened a concert for Ludacris, but this was unconfirmed.
  • Butler is an ordained minister.
  • Butler pleaded guilty to a felony charge for fraud in 1997, which has been expunged from his record. He had to settle a state tax warrant last year for almost $1,000.
  • Butler is 5'8" and weighs 350lbs. His 40 time was unavailable.
  • Butler played football at Kansas State (transferred in from JUCO, Ft. Hayes State)
  • Butler charges $15 -$18 per player, per training session. If held at the local YMCA, the per session fee is raised to $25. The article made no mention of what role, if any, the Village People fulfilled in these session.
  • The gym where Potential Players athletes work out is owned by Mark Simoneau, and ex-NFL player and Kansas State alum.
  • For those session held at his gym, Butler splits the session rate(s) with Simoneau, 50/50
  • Tom Lemming has publicly stated "liking" Butler.
  • Butler actually owns / operates two (2) businesses.
  • The first, Potential Players is non-profit, and as Butler describes, "deals with more of the spiritual side,"
  • The second, L.I.F.E. Training LLC, is notably for profit, and "focuses on aiding the recruiting process as well as physically training athletes."
  • Potential Players is located in Wichita, KS, but it's non-profit status was filed and is maintained in the State of Illinois.....two states over to the East.
  • Butler first approached the Brown family with a "non-monetary contract" before Arthur and Bryce entered high school.
  • The "non-monetary" contract allowed the Brown brothers to receive free training, if they agreed to "sit in the front row of each class, to attend weekly bible studies (lead by Butler), and to be leaders in their school..."
  • Butler made this comment in Feldman's article on ESPN when questioned about the subscription cost of this potentialplayers.com site,"I'm the one that does the work. I'm the one that's typing the stories (emphasis mine). Obviously, I'm the one that should be getting paid." With this in mind, go back and re-read several of the "articles" on his site, if for nothing more than a quick laugh, especially in those instances when he refers to himself in the 3rd person, which is almost every other sentence.
  • Knowing that Butler authors the content on the site, do his "true" colors show in this quote which was intended to defend his fee-for-service training model: “My goal was never to get rich financially off of training kids, but if it happened that way so be it (emphasis mine), but that would take a whole lot of training”. Personal comment: I would say that starting a website and charging a subscription is one way that you just might "happen" to get rich off of "training kids".
  • In a later interview with Bruce Feldman, again regarding his subscription, Butler was quoted as saying, "Why shouldn't I get paid?"
  • Butler claims that his 3-page business model for Potential Players was given to him in 1999 via an epiphany from God one night while dreaming.
  • Butler originally partnered with ex-Nebraska star DeAngelo Evans in his business(es), but nothing indicates that he remains active, nor explains what might have happened to his ownership interest, if anything.
  • His "Summer Tour" involves him driving 15-20 of his athletes around to different schools for "unofficial" visits, encompassing several states. He claims it was patterned off of what the Ginn Academy of Cleveland, OH does with his trainees each year.
  • From Matt Hinton's article: "Recently fired Kansas State coach Ron Prince also discouraged KSU boosters from donating to Butler's program, largely because it could come back as a recruiting violation if the Wildcats landed one of his players."
  • Contrast this with the comments Butler assigned to newly re-hired KSU coach, Bill Snyder, "He’s in total support. I just thank him very much for his respect.”
Coach Cheney - Butler Connection?
I couldn't find anything definitive that they could have crossed paths or may have known one another before the Brown recruiting saga began. However, I do know that Coach Chaney is originally from Holden, MO (232 miles from Wichita), he attended Central Missourri State (186 miles from Wichita), and most importantly, he recruited the midwestern U.S. while coaching at Wyoming and Purdue.

I did find one "midwestern" coaches clinic that Jim Chaney and Coach Joe Tiller held / attended in 1997 or so, but no city was listed (only photos). Brian Butler was neither shown nor mentioned in the photos.

I couldn't substantiate this rumor, but neither could I refute it. It at least seems plausible that they could have met during his time at Purdue.

What does all of this mean? I have no idea. Take it with a grain of salt, if at all. Or, simply ignore it.
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ok some of these are so ridiculous that it makes me think this is made up...but I really don't think it is, that scares me!
 
#3,423
#3,423
Wherever Brown ends up going, he'll most likely "outgrow" Butler. Any major university will be able to provide everything that Butler does, without the shadiness, and at much higher quality.
 
#3,424
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govols87 said:
am I the only one who thinks it's strange to be talking so in depth about the hostesses and their lives? No offense to anyone who is...it's interesting to say the least. I just find it bordering a violation of privacy and such.
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i have to disagree, gv. the hostesses are assigned, as representatives of the university, to accompany recruits, during their visit to the university. that is absolutely open for conversation. just as it is talking about the players that are assigned to them. no one ever mentioned her name until she became openly involved, romantically, with the recruit that she was assigned to. in fact, i have never heard mention of any but 2 specific hostesses. both for the same reason.
 
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