War in Ukraine

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Hunerwadel said:
it's panties in a wad over energy supplies and the economy. If you take a little time and trouble to do a real search you will find the European countries are working together to mitigate these issues. And just a reminder: By not selling gas to Europe they have cut their own cash flow as well.
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It was them all doing insanity stuff and working together that got them in this mess to start with. There is no real replacement short to medium term, parts of Europe will have to shutdown in part... as they are slowly doing now. The costs are high whether they have supply or not.

How this works out over the medium and long term, we don't know... but either way... short term pain.

And just a reminder: By not selling gas to Europe they have cut their own cash flow as well.
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Assuming they don't have other buyers, and that the price increase by unit vs volume decrease doesn't negatively impact the bottom line. The Russians are now slowly doing what the Europeans said they were going to do, strange world. It would seem everyone should be happy now.

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To ease the price, they have to cut economic output.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Gaz on my mind...



I think this is where I'm at currently. Obviously, this will be a shock to the system, how much shock right now is the debate. Right now there are some industries there that already starting to shutdown, so my question would be more the spiral effect down. So, in theory Europe's problem could be at max pain now or soon (short-term). and ease somewhat till next year. The issue the article doesn't get into much is any further spiral effect as a result of medium term deterioration of the economic system.

So... you get an easing of energy price but this comes at a cost of economic output.
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Heh. You should probably avoid economic analyses.

Funny stuff.
 
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MontyPython said:
Europe will survive just fine this winter.

Anyone who understands basic cyclical economics recognizes this.
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Who said it wouldn't survive? You are setting up a whole strawman at this point. Things could get very interesting if prices continue up for sure though. Can Europe survive at $1-2 kwH, not sure, I wouldn't want to test it though... but that is me.

"fine" Sure, the people in Afghanistan will survive the winter as "fine", a good portion of them don't have much energy at all.

For people that hate Russia, they seem hell bent on living in 1980s Soviet Union.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Step aside BoJo, there's a new clown entering the circus.
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I see nothing wrong with that answer, the better question would revolve around deescalation and not getting yourself into that decision to start with as PM. Finding common ground to work upon is actually more important.

Most of this stuff (in this thread) isn't the business of the UK. <---------

I'm still confused as to why all these Western nations think everything is their business, like they haven't sent enough of their stupid white boys to go die in some strange land for no reason.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Oh I've been very accurate. There's a long list of false propaganda the Ukrainian trolls have shared in here. Guess that's why you guys and gals throw tantrums every now and then.
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This is the type of post that lets you know that a dormant account has been acquired by Russia propagandists. Most likely lost due to a white leather New Balance phishing scam.

 
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FLVOL_79 said:
This is the type of post that lets you know that a dormant account has been acquired by Russia propagandists. Most likely lost due to a white leather New Balance phishing scam.

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Man, there should be like a sarcasm indicator, I have no idea what is a joke and what is meant to be real here. lol
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Hey at least you’re consistent in your confused state Curly 🤡
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Lol. Sounds like you need some guidance from your dear leader RickyVol. I mean Captain Mauser.

By the way. I think Rand needs to get some better "documented" sources. You have been way off thus far.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Lol. Sounds like you need some guidance from your dear leader RickyVol. I mean Captain Mauser.

By the way. I think Rand needs to get some better "documented" sources. You have been way off thus far.
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LMAO you’re a legend in your own mind Curly. And absolutely nowhere else 😂
 
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Retired US General Tells Ukraine "Better To Negotiate Now Than Later"

A retired Pentagon general has issued a rare call for Ukraine to immediately enter negotiations with Russia toward finding a peaceful solution to the now six-month long war. This comes after weeks of reports of a 'stalemated' battlefield along eastern and southern lines, and amid Western leaders increasingly acknowledging "uncomfortably low" and depleted weapons stockpiles.

Army brigadier general Mark T. Kimmitt, who had served as Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs under the George W. Bush administration, warned in a Wall Street Journal op-ed days ago that the current policy of ramping up weapons systems to Kyiv is only likely to lead to more casualties.

He wrote in the Thursday article that "older and less advanced" systems which are increasingly making up the bulk of what's now being supplied "may indicate that battlefield consumption rates have outpaced production to a point where excess inventories provided to Ukraine are nearly exhausted."
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He should have been honest with them, there is no realistic winning move.... they could have huge supplies of weapons and its not going to matter.
 
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