War in Ukraine

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norrislakevol said:
What exactly do you mean by "You guys"? Anyways, sanctions are basically a token thing and never really accomplish their objective no matter where they are tried. Generally only brings suffering to the innocent.

If you would do some research you would know that we do not share technology of the FA18 Super Hornets and the F22 Raptors even with our closest allies. We wouldn't even give them to England if they asked for them.

OMG, here we go again. The old objectives of war will never really be successful. The old days of a country surrendering and allowing an occupying force to come in and stay are over. Now it's basically kill the enemy and go home.
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I don't know what to make of this little rant.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Now we can agree. The issue with all that is, that is what Hitler said. Hitler was right, and you get much of that in Art of War.

Now, the situation in the Ukraine is much different than what the U.S. has been doing. Russia will most likely continue to bake it for a while as Europe is now the target. But the outcome is basically known other than irrelevant details. Pro-russian areas will be annexed. The rest will eventually have to submit or be flattened by whatever means necessary.

The war is over there, it was over 6+ months ago. The closer they get to victory, the closer they get to meeting their maker.

There simply isn't any realistic move for the Ukraine to "win" anything of significant value.
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The war isn't over there unless Russia stops or Ukraine agrees to submit, right? That's basically what you said earlier.

Also, you keep mentioning the rest of Europe. What do you mean by this exactly? Russia cuts all gas and petrol to them in the dead of winter? I could see Putin using that method in the future.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't know what to make of this little rant.
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Do you think sanctions actually accomplish their objectives most anywhere they have been tried? Do you not think that it is generally the innocent in those countries that pay the heaviest price?

I meant what I said about the old objectives of war too. If the people won't submit, then then you will not be able to gain full control.
 
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norrislakevol said:
The war isn't over there unless Russia stops or Ukraine agrees to submit, right? That's basically what you said earlier.
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The war has been over since it started. If portions of the Ukraine submit than its just about how much they lose. They can't win anything of real value.

There is no winning move.

Also, you keep mentioning the rest of Europe. What do you mean by this exactly? Russia cuts all gas and petrol to them in the dead of winter? I could see Putin using that method in the future.
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Well, Russia isn't publicly saying they are at war with Europe, but that is where this is at. Obviously, Putin is still playing gamesmanship to a degree and saying all the right words i.e. contracts, escalation, flow, etc.

Russia really hasn't had to do much to Germany (Europe) at this stage to bring about significant issues... Europe is doing this all by themselves. See the articles I posted the other day, they are saying the same thing.... Russia is now going to wait to see how far this goes.

I don't know how this (Europe) will turn out over the winter and next couple of years, there are too many variables at this stage. The Ukraine, its screwed.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. - Sun Tzu (The Art of War)
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Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. - Napoleon Bonaparte
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norrislakevol said:
Do you think sanctions actually accomplish their objectives most anywhere they have been tried? Do you not think that it is generally the innocent in those countries that pay the heaviest price?

I meant what I said about the old objectives of war too. If the people won't submit, then then you will not be able to gain full control.
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I just don't know where you are going with your rant based on what your reply to me was. I am obviously an opponent to sanctions, but I'm just uncertain to your response to my initial comment.
 
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EU energy ministers to discuss gas price cap, emergency liquidity help - document

“Russia is no longer a reliable energy partner,” Scholz told a news conference in Berlin.
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That's rich. I thought they didn't want Russia making money. Sooooo confused. :confused: Is Russia suppose to be making money or not? It would seem like Europe's plan is coming together, Russia isn't making money.

M'Kay. Germany (and other European countries) is going to fight higher energy prices by giving everyone more money to buy energy.:confused::confused::confused::confused:

1. Sanctions were implemented to stop Russia sales.
2. The Europeans has allowed loop holes of the sanctions to buy items.
3. The Europeans start talking about caps on prices.
4. Russia voluntarily (or truly has issues) stops flow.
5. European countries start giving money to people to buy energy to fight the high energy prices, I guess.

If the objective is to cut Russia off from funds, you just cut the flow. ;)

What exactly is their objective here? <-----

If you can't simply state an objective, the ability to reach the objective seems zero bound.

The objective at this point seems to be to make Europeans suffer for no reason and to be poor.

Lights out and candles lit in Italy due to 500% increase in energy bills...

What year is it?
 
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As Europe Implodes, Its Plans "Radical Intervention" Including Price-Setting, Suspending Derivatives Markets And Europe-Wide Margin Call Bailouts

Oh but it gets better.

In short, Pierre Andurand was not only absolutely spot on when he said the "oil market is completely broken" but now every other commodity market is about to be "regulated" to death. Which means paper prices may soon hit 0 as physical prices approach asymptote (i.e +∞).
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You can't fix this with regulation.

''The economy of imaginary wealth is being inevitably replaced by the economy of real and hard assets''.
From June.
''The economy of imaginary wealth is being inevitably replaced by the economy of real and hard assets''.
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I don't see this happening how Putin envisions it though. There is no backup system for the current system (Federal Reserve System). If you get to that point, imo, you're talking RESET.

Obviously, he is playing a different game than Ukraine.
 
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Burhead said:
Not sure if anyone follows the War in Donbas any more but Russia is again building up military presence on the border. They have done this before and it turned out to be nothing but a lot people are calling this new buildup concerning because its outside of the regular Russian training schedule and in the past movements were done during the day and had video evidence and now they are being conducted at night. Not sure if this one will turn out to be real either but apparently the US is concerned. The CIA Director had a talk with Putin recently and Blinken just recently said we are seeing unusal military activity in Russia near the Ukrainian border and said the concern is there that Putin may try and rehash 2014 all over again. Combine this with the Russian directed migrant crisis on the Polish/Belarusian border and the concern that the Baltic's may also be subjected to weaponized migrant hordes this time it feels different. Also too the war in the east has sprung back to life in the past few weeks with heavy artillery being used and Ukrainian forces using their new drones to bomb Russian positions.
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This post, would've made people millionaires in the stock market. If you bought oil, NG, or weapons stocks off of this, you would have been set.

Putin is destroying the money laundering that has went on for decades. To the UN, WHO, Paris climate, Government politicians, and especially US politicians including their sons.

Down with the NWO.
 
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Ukraine Update: Russia culminates, Ukraine advances on all fronts

"Now, after two months of relentless assault on Russia’s supply lines, supply depots, command and control centers, bridges, and air defenses, Russia is dead in the water. And having rushed the bulk of its forces into the Kherson trap, Ukraine is making gains along every front in the war. Let’s systematically review what things probably look like, remembering that Ukraine rarely announces the liberation of a town unless it is fully secure, and the front lines have moved significantly away."
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You think people that have had accounts out here for for a decade+, set these accounts up so long ago.... the Russians planned this propaganda scheme over a decade ago and pay for it all? Hopefully they start sending me checks, or gold or something.

At the end of the day, the Ukraine lost.... they lost before the "war" started. Propaganda didn't win it, sound strategy that has been in place for 30 years did.

Propaganda is a part of all war, as is the Fog of War.... so? At the end of the day, no amount of propaganda was going to help Japan when the United States started dropping those atomic bombs.
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Dang Felicia you seem real upset!

Surprised you don't know how Russia does propaganda on the internet........
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Now we can agree. The issue with all that is, that is what Hitler said. Hitler was right, and you get much of that in Art of War.

Now, the situation in the Ukraine is much different than what the U.S. has been doing. Russia will most likely continue to bake it for a while as Europe is now the target. But the outcome is basically known other than irrelevant details. Pro-russian areas will be annexed. The rest will eventually have to submit or be flattened by whatever means necessary.

The war is over there, it was over 6+ months ago. The closer they get to victory, the closer they get to meeting their maker.

There simply isn't any realistic move for the Ukraine to "win" anything of significant value.
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jesus.

You may be as delusional as volgr.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Dang Felicia you seem real upset!

Surprised you don't know how Russia does propaganda on the internet........
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About what exactly? Most of this is just obvious observations.

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LSU-SIU said:
The war has been over since it started. If portions of the Ukraine submit than its just about how much they lose. They can't win anything of real value.

There is no winning move.



Well, Russia isn't publicly saying they are at war with Europe, but that is where this is at. Obviously, Putin is still playing gamesmanship to a degree and saying all the right words i.e. contracts, escalation, flow, etc.

Russia really hasn't had to do much to Germany (Europe) at this stage to bring about significant issues... Europe is doing this all by themselves. See the articles I posted the other day, they are saying the same thing.... Russia is now going to wait to see how far this goes.

I don't know how this (Europe) will turn out over the winter and next couple of years, there are too many variables at this stage. The Ukraine, its screwed.
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We pretty much agree here.
 
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