War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

Lol. You guys have been saying this for months.

Actually no YOU guys have been saying this for months. Hard to keep your propaganda straight this morning Curly?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Sorry Pal, but nothing you're saying changes the fact that Putin's war caused a global inflation of fuel and food prices.

Sorry pal, how can't Putin cause "inflation" when he's been effectively detached from the federal reserve system? Inflation is the increase of the money supply, he has no way of increasing the money supply in the United States or Europe. What you are talking about is consumer inflation. You can't print gas, oil and natural resources..... pal. You have more money chasing fewer resources.

Europe and increasingly the United States is not securing inexpensive energy supplies or distribution. Europe/United States didn't have to put the stupid sanctions in place. Russia doesn't have to sell Europe natural resources at all. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Ukraine and now Europe have entered the game on orders from the United States... they will pay the price first.

Depopulation is going to be a bitch, if this continues to be escalated.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You should really go back and read your posts. You sound like some one who has been receiving electroshock therapy in a reeducation gulag for the last ten years.

The only thing you are doing is lashing out with things that are irrelevant and crying crocodile tears. None of that is going to change anything.

 

[BreatheUT]

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Why do volgr posts bother you so much?

There is different takes on Ukraine.

One take is we need to be involved because China is paying attention and we don't want Russia advancing there agenda.

The other is, with so many problems over here is is costing the taxpayer billions and weakening our ability to defend against China in the region when it's time.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Why do volgr posts bother you so much?

There is different takes on Ukraine.

One take is we need to be involved because China is paying attention and we don't want Russia advancing there agenda.

The other is, with so many problems over here is is costing the taxpayer billions and weakening our ability to defend against China in the region when it's time.

Wait you don’t actually believe any of the stooges give a single damn about the US at all do you? First and foremost they are pro Russian propagandists and just use the appeals to emotion to buy sympathy for the idiotic self inflicted Russian plight in Ukraine.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Wait you don’t actually believe any of the stooges give a single damn about the US at all do you?

I give a damn about the US. We are wasting blood and treasure all over the globe in these wasteful and ridiculous military failures when we have our own issues right here in America and at our own border.

 

[LSU-SIU]

No, the sanctions is pushing up the price of energy and food.

They are attempting to cut off their own energy/food supply than the guy is wondering why things are expensive.... of course Russia. Imagine its 2022 and someone can't figure out even the most basic thing. Russians also cause gravity, its because of Russians I can't fly. I think Russia saying that the people of these countries should consider replacing them (politicians) with adults, I'm not sure they understand the stupidity of these people.

They claim Russia sucks and yet can't explain how they have such influence on prices. LOL

All of the fake outrage and crocodile tears are something else, if they really cared for any of those people in Europe.... why did they let them go down that road? (not really a question)

 

[NorthDallas40]

I give a damn about the US. We are wasting blood and treasure all over the globe in these wasteful and ridiculous military failures when we have our own issues right here in America and at our own border.

The content of your post history, especially in this thread, would demonstrate otherwise. You’re a classic example of the Russian trolls we were warned about. Your schtick is also an example of why it was so overblown Moe

 

[LSU-SIU]

I give a damn about the US. We are wasting blood and treasure all over the globe in these wasteful and ridiculous military failures when we have our own issues right here in America and at our own border.

You're not going to get anywhere speaking with wackos. (there is a ignore button for a reason... just saying)

 

[NorthDallas40]

You're not going to get anywhere speaking with wackos. (there is a ignore button for a reason... just saying)

The man in the mirror spouting gibberish here!

 

[Hunerwadel]

The only thing you are doing is lashing out with things that are irrelevant and crying crocodile tears. None of that is going to change anything.

You've been on here for the last couple of weeks posting nothing but Russian propaganda from the troll farm. It's the same old **** over and over again with references to stupid white people and dog **** thrown in. I don't even know what that's suppose to mean.

A little advice: Don't hold your breath waiting for Russia to defeat Ukraine or the West to collapse. I've been around for a long long time. I've seen war (as a participant and observer), political discord and economic distress before. We will come out of this fine, maybe even better. Russia however will not. Luckily their economy is propped up because they have an abundance of energy. That's good for the short term. But Russia produces nothing and they live in a technological vacuum. Their energy income is going to be useless because they won't be able to buy the technology (hardware and know how) needed to maintain a 1st world environment for their people. And they sure as hell can't produce it themselves. Time is not their friend. So, just keep believing what your being fed and brace yourself for a rude awakening.

 

[LSU-SIU]

A little advice: Don't hold your breath waiting for Russia to defeat Ukraine or the West to collapse.

The Ukraine War never really existed, that's basically over other than irrelevant details.

Their energy income is going to be useless because they won't be able to buy the technology (hardware and know how) needed to maintain a 1st world environment for their people.

I'm not sure but in theory that will result in less energy to Europe. Less available parts, services and technology will result in less output. Sanctions don't really help Europe, they absolutely hurt Europe.

Heck, maybe Europe can pay 5-10 times energy and food costs for a bit, but this is going in a very bad direction for them very quickly. For the record, I never claimed it would cause Europe to collapse... I said all of this COULD result in the collapse of Germany (Europe).

(we'll see... patience to see the end result)

Time is not their friend.

Time is their friend, hence they are just sitting there. See prior articles.

Nothing is going to change, the outcome, its basically known for the Ukraine, the economic war for Europe has only started. (probably take a year or two)

So, just keep believing what your being fed and brace yourself for a rude awakening.

Nobody is feeding me anything. LOL On the contrary, the outcome to this has been know for like 25-30 years. There really isn't anything complex about this.

It has nothing to do with "belief", there is no winning moves for the Ukraine. They simply don't exist.

You seem very frustrated. The whole "Russian Propaganda" seems more like a combination of projecting and frustration. Instead of just being a dumb white dude being frustrated, maybe you should actually take the time to read people's posts in full and in context.

 

[volgr]

May not be the best strategy to equate those of us telling the truth in this thread with being "Russia Propaganda".

 

[volgr]

I give a damn about the US. We are wasting blood and treasure all over the globe in these wasteful and ridiculous military failures when we have our own issues right here in America and at our own border.

With Iraq and Afghanistan total failures, weird how those wanting others to believe they "love America" are the ones pushing the Country into another quagmire. $13 Billion more just requested.

 

[NorthDallas40]

May not be the best strategy to equate those of us telling the truth in this thread with being "Russia Propaganda".

Literally no one is doing that Larry.

 

[LSU-SIU]

May not be the best strategy to equate those of us telling the truth in this thread with being "Russia Propaganda".

Propaganda isn't the thing that won the Ukrainian War, a strategy that can't realistically be beaten won. No amount of crocodile tears or "russian propaganda" screams echo will change the result.

The only winning move was for the Ukraine not to play. But somehow in their head they think F-22s won't melt at 180m degrees F. You can't reason with these people.

Indiana Jones (Russia) vs. Swordman (F-22s, Warthog, Stingers, Javelins, etc) That fight was over anytime Jones wanted it to be.

Maybe the United States could come up with a sunscreen with a spf of 10 billion. In the big scheme of things, what goes on in the Ukraine is kind of meaningless and has been for some time.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Ramzan Kadyrov...

Operative information!

In the Donetsk People's Republic, the Akhmat special forces and the 2nd Corps of the LPR launched a large-scale offensive in several areas. Our fighters are actively advancing in the direction of Soledar, Yakovlevka, Seversk.

The pause that has been sustained for tactical purposes lately has fully justified itself. I will not reveal all the secrets, but thanks to the plan we developed, the inspired enemy revealed all his positions. This is what we needed. Now the Akhmat special forces, together with the allied forces, are conducting active offensive operations and mercilessly hitting the enemy. In total, about 60 km of territory will have to be cleared of fascist shortcomings.

My dear BROTHER, Hero of Russia, commander of the special forces "Akhmat" Apty Alaudinov, reports from the scene that the Nazis are already suffering huge losses both in manpower and in equipment as of this hour. And if in recent days the enemy, inspired by our tactical pause, tried to launch a counteroffensive, now he can only think about saving his worthless life.
AKHMAT - POWER!

You've never really learned the difference have you volg?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Why do volgr posts bother you so much?

There is different takes on Ukraine.

One take is we need to be involved because China is paying attention and we don't want Russia advancing there agenda.

The other is, with so many problems over here is is costing the taxpayer billions and weakening our ability to defend against China in the region when it's time.

They don't bother me. They are bought and paid for Russian propaganda which I find amusing because its fun to see what communists think 1st worlders talk like and/or believe.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

You are allowed to have a wrong opinion, it's not illegal. At least, not in America. It will be when russia takes over, and ignoring it won't make it go away. They will shoot you anyway.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You are allowed to have a wrong opinion, it's not illegal. At least, not in America. It will be when russia takes over, and ignoring it won't make it go away. They will shoot you anyway.

The Russians aren't taking over anything. LOL

 

[LSU-SIU]

They don't bother me. They are bought and paid for Russian propaganda which I find amusing because its fun to see what communists think 1st worlders talk like and/or believe.

You think people that have had accounts out here for for a decade+, set these accounts up so long ago.... the Russians planned this propaganda scheme over a decade ago and pay for it all? Hopefully they start sending me checks, or gold or something.

At the end of the day, the Ukraine lost.... they lost before the "war" started. Propaganda didn't win it, sound strategy that has been in place for 30 years did.

Propaganda is a part of all war, as is the Fog of War.... so? At the end of the day, no amount of propaganda was going to help Japan when the United States started dropping those atomic bombs.

 

[norrislakevol]

And thanks to these sanctions, you guys have crippled those oligarchs and done Putin a huge favor.



Why weren't the Ukrainians given these fighters if it is as obvious as you say? Ukraine could have established their own "no fly zone".


Yeah, and WTF do we have to show for it? We've spent more than any other military since WWII and don't have any wins on the board outside of Grenada and Panama.

What exactly do you mean by "You guys"? Anyways, sanctions are basically a token thing and never really accomplish their objective no matter where they are tried. Generally only brings suffering to the innocent.

If you would do some research you would know that we do not share technology of the FA18 Super Hornets and the F22 Raptors even with our closest allies. We wouldn't even give them to England if they asked for them.

OMG, here we go again. The old objectives of war will never really be successful. The old days of a country surrendering and allowing an occupying force to come in and stay are over. Now it's basically kill the enemy and go home.

 

[LSU-SIU]

OMG, here we go again. The old objectives of war will never really be successful. The old days of a country surrendering and allowing an occupying force to come in and stay are over. Now it's basically kill the enemy and go home.

If the United States killed the enemy and went home, many of us would be all for it depending on the situation. That isn't what they are doing, they are starting conflicts, than making the conflicts extend out over decades. There really is no objectives other than to supply a ledger for defense contractors.

Its actually the exact opposite of what you say.

At the end of the day, if the host/hostile country is not on board the invading force has really only a few outcomes and most of them aren't good.... unless you go genocide.

The situation in the Ukraine seems simple enough,, the areas which are pro-Russian will be annexed. The areas without Russian support will eventually have to submit to agreeable terms, or continue to be flattened the slow way... if Russia loses patience or the ability to carry out the flattening.... they just send them some parting gifts which do the flattening much quicker.

The West just hid the plans from the Ukrainians. The Russians have only been notifying them (Ukraine/NATO) for the last 30 years.

“There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now. … What do you mean you’ve never been to Alpha Centauri? Oh, for heaven’s sake, mankind, it’s only four light years away, you know. I’m sorry, but if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout. Energize the demolition beams.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

I'm not sure what the fuss is about.

 

[norrislakevol]

If the United States killed the enemy and went home, many of us would be all for it depending on the situation. That isn't what they are doing, the starting conflicts, than making the conflicts extend out over decades. There really is no objectives other than to supply a ledger for defense contractors.

Its actually the exact opposite of what you say.

At the end of the day, if the host/hostile country is not on board the invading force has really only a few outcomes and most of them aren't good.... unless you go genocide.

Correct, and correct. I think I have said several times on this board that you can absolutely permanently drive out a force like the Taliban for good if you wanted to. Problem is that you have to be very cruel in order to do it, and no one in modernized nations will ever have the balls to see it through. Going over there and occupying for as long as you want to and building damn schools is old war 2 era thinking, and doesn't get the job done (and yes, some love perpetual war and the profits that come with it) against people trapped in a 7th century mindset. They under stand money and fear....that's it. So how do you keep the Taliban away for good? You go old testament on them. Once they are ran out of an area, you let the people know that if the Taliban is let back in that you will wipe any town off the map....no matter how big or how small...that allows them to stay. You have to make them fear you worse than the Taliban, then their survival instincts kick in. The prospect of themselves as well as their entire family being vaporized will make them fight the Taliban tooth and nail. Also, find anyone who has financed them or aided them and kill them and their entire immediate family no matter where they are. Put their bodies on display. After a few examples of this there would be an entirely different tune being sung. Also, target the Taliban fighters families.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Correct, and correct. I think I have said several times on this board that you can absolutely permanently drive out a force like the Taliban for good if you wanted to. Problem is that you have to be very cruel in order to do it, and no one in modernized nations will ever have the balls to see it through. Going over there and occupying for as long as you want to and building damn schools is old war 2 era thinking, and doesn't get the job done (and yes, some love perpetual war and the profits that come with it) against people trapped in a 7th century mindset. They under stand money and fear....that's it. So how do you keep the Taliban away for good? You go old testament on them. Once they are ran out of an area, you let the people know that if the Taliban is let back in that you will wipe any town off the map....no matter how big or how small...that allows them to stay. You have to make them fear you worse than the Taliban, then their survival instincts kick in. The prospect of themselves as well as their entire family being vaporized will make them fight the Taliban tooth and nail. Also, find anyone who has financed them or aided them and kill them and their entire immediate family no matter where they are. Put their bodies on display. After a few examples of this there would be an entirely different tune being sung.

Now we can agree. The issue with all that is, that is what Hitler said. Hitler was right, and you get much of that in Art of War.

Now, the situation in the Ukraine is much different than what the U.S. has been doing. Russia will most likely continue to bake it for a while as Europe is now the target. But the outcome is basically known other than irrelevant details. Pro-russian areas will be annexed. The rest will eventually have to submit or be flattened by whatever means necessary.

The war is over there, it was over 6+ months ago. The closer they get to victory, the closer they get to meeting their maker.

There simply isn't any realistic move for the Ukraine to "win" anything of significant value.