Gun control debate (merged)

[McDad]

Oops.

Firearm mortality rate.

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Everyone is just obsessed with Illinois because it was Obama-tangential and fed a certain narrative about his home (blue) state

Did the site where you found this data specify how a mortality rate is defined?

 

[Devo182]

imagine believing this nonsense

What state would you imagine is least classically American in its culture, specifically gun culture? Hmm...maybe a newer state...far from the U.S. both geographically and culturally (historically)?


Well lookee who has the least gun fatalities...

 

[Devo182]

Did the site where you found this data specify how a mortality rate is defined?

It's the CDC.

 

[utvolpj]

Mankind is free to kill themselves slowly. That is self-autonomy. But there's a reason why we don't allow drunk driving or 2nd hand smoke (in many instances).

The gun issue isn't about suicide afaik

But they can't provide for their own defense without government permission.

If you remove suicides then guns aren't really a factor anymore. Remove legal use and gang violence and there's really nothing left to discuss

 

[Devo182]

85-90% of gun violence are criminals shooting each other, suicides and accidents. What else would it be about

Shooting others. Yes.

Suicide (self-harm) isn't the isssue agaik.

 

[McDad]

Shhhhh .. let’s talk about something else that won’t help anything .

I'm hoping a new angle or approach will be offered. I've seen the current discussion about 500 times now.

 

[luthervol]

Yes 25 gun murders in Wyoming is much worse than 1200 in Chicago

Please tell me you understand per capita.

 

[McDad]

It's the CDC.

Ok. I will look it up.

 

[hog88]

It did. But obviously not enough.

Since the "Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act" was put into effect in 2005 meth use has more than doubled.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Please tell me you understand per capita.

And please tell me you understand what 90% of gun violence consists of. It’s not legal gun owners shooting others

 

[0nelilreb]

It did. But obviously not enough.

Ha! ask farmers that have had to install cameras and security systems around their anhydrous tanks how much it solved . You can’t do anything to a meth cook that he won’t find away around , except lock him away for a long time , something happens to him so bad that it changes his whole outlook on life , or kill him . Ask me about my experiences with famous family meth cooks . Lol

 

[Rickyvol77]

Shooting others. Yes.

Suicide (self-harm) isn't the isssue agaik.

Lmao suicides are half of all gun deaths. Why is it not an issue

 

[luthervol]

What state would you imagine is least classically American in its culture, specifically gun culture? Hmm...maybe a newer state...far from the U.S. both geographically and culturally (historically)?


Well lookee who has the least gun fatalities...

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That would be another one of those inconvenient truths.

 

[0nelilreb]

Since the "Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act" was put into effect in 2005 meth use has more than doubled.

it’s was a lie and a blindfold to make people feel better .

 

[utvolpj]

Shooting others. Yes.

Suicide (self-harm) isn't the isssue agaik.

It is the issue since it's included in every stat

 

[LouderVol]

I see you are still missing the point.
They should not "legally" sell guns that can be reasonably assumed to have a high probability of then being sold illegally.

How would they know?

 

[McDad]

It's the CDC.

I can only find mortality rate as death per 100,000.

Is this your understanding?

 

[0nelilreb]

I see you are still missing the point.
They should not "legally" sell guns that can be reasonably assumed to have a high probability of then being sold illegally.

If people in urban cities would just act right , we wouldn’t be having this conversation at all .

 

[Rickyvol77]

I can only find mortality rate as death per 100,000.

Is this your understanding?

Lol check out the homicide rate from the CDC. Definitely a “correlation” theme there too

 

[MG1968]

The luthers of the world can solve this by amending the constitution. But they bitch and moan about how hard that is to do.

 

[GroverCleveland]

You're missing my point. How many guns are "legally" purchased in one state and then illegally sold in another?

WTH? Here was your statement:

"Because the current gun laws make it ridiculously easy to buy guns in one state and sell them in another. "

Pray tell, what "point" is being missed? On the one hand you state gun laws make it easy to buy guns in one state and sell in another and then when called out on being wrong, you then state we're missing your point because you really want to know how many guns are legally purchased in one state and illegally sold in another?

I know liberals have a hard time with logic, but crap. Maybe I'm wrong, I thought you were advocating for gun control of some sort, but now I have no idea what you're arguing. Heck, it does not appear you even know what you're arguing or are arguing with yourself like Braxton Bragg or something.

 

[Rickyvol77]

The luthers of the world can solve this by amending the constitution. But they bitch and moan about how hard that is to do.

All emotional illogical blather feelz. He wouldn’t understand real world crime on the streets and its effects if it snuck up and stole his Suburu

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

 

[0nelilreb]

The luthers of the world can solve this by amending the constitution. But they bitch and moan about how hard that is to do.

No they can’t , they are smart enough know , all those poll numbers are a lie and pure left wing propaganda, and they don’t have the support to get’er done .

 

[luthervol]

Since the "Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act" was put into effect in 2005 meth use has more than doubled.

I'm glad they took the steps necessary to keep it from quadrupling.