Roe vs Wade Overturned

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Forever151 said:
What I am saying what is the point of court rulings is they hold zero federal weight
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The Constitution lays out the powers of the judicial branch. They rule on law but should not create law. That power resides with the legislative branch. It has been conflated over the years which creates much of the problem we now see. Each branch wants more power.
 
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Forever151 said:
This is where u are wrong . I absolutely hate everything that conservatives stand for but I believe progression is always the answer but I also believe in finding common ground if it’s for a greater good .
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Right. You want to find common ground through federal socialist authoritarianism. That doesn’t result in common ground. Historically, it results in civil war.
 
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Forever151 said:
I answered this already . Politics have become front and center for most people . To many people are making it their whole personality. Everything has to either be far left or far right with little to no compromise
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Sure. But that has nothing to do with federal law or state law. Although I’d also question the idea that there’s a mass movement to the far right. If anything the right moves further left by the day. Trump for example was the first president ever elected who openly endorsed gay marriage
 
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Vol423 said:
Right. You want to find common ground through federal socialist authoritarianism. That doesn’t result in common ground. Historically, it results in civil war.
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What we are doing now is going to result into modern day civil war
 
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VolStrom said:
Maybe the end result of this decision will be that women will be less promiscuous and take greater care to prevent their own pregnancy if it's a burden to terminate a pregnancy.
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Right, because it is all their fault. Not the dude on the other end of the equation.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Sure. But that has nothing to do with federal law or state law. Although I’d also question the idea that there’s a mass movement to the far right. If anything the right moves further left by the day. Trump for example was the first president ever elected who openly endorsed gay marriage[/QUOTE
Vol8188 said:
Sure. But that has nothing to do with federal law or state law. Although I’d also question the idea that there’s a mass movement to the far right. If anything the right moves further left by the day. Trump for example was the first president ever elected who openly endorsed gay marriage
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Actions speak louder then words
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Vol423 said:
Yeah. What was I thinking. You’re the resident Putin worshipper.
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I'm just saying that just because Person X disagrees with you on certain issues, that doesn't mean that you have to discount or disagree with everything they say. Believe it or not, people on opposite sides of the aisle can have issues where they have common ground. We need to try to do more of that rather than the polarization that has gone own over the last 30 years.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
They are all about state's rights on this issue tonight, but they will fall in line for a federal ban denying state's rights on the same issue. Give it a couple weeks.

Pence and McConnell and anyone that agrees with a federal ban are lying hypocrites. Plain and simple.
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Hypocrites? No, I genuinely support a ban on all murder, including murder of children
 
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Forever151 said:
The thing with letting states make decisions is what’s the line because I’m not sure we all agree on where that line should be
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Of course we will not agree on everything. That is the point of having states. People are not going to agree on everything. And you shouldn't force people to agree on everything. That is why the states are supposed to really be 50 independent and autonomous units and laboratories. One state tries something that may work for them, but it may or may not work for another state. Its a more flexible option than a rigid Federal cookie cutter option.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You think states are going to go to war because they’re allowed to make their own laws? Do you realize how crazy that is?

“How dare you give me the right to govern!”
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I say modern because it’s going to result in extremism on both sides . The modern Democrat has gone more left and the modern republican have gone more right .
 
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Forever151 said:
What we are doing now is going to result into modern day civil war
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Let’s be clear what we are doing now isn’t moving towards more state power. Roe v Wade is really the only notable example.

Why would being able to do what you want lead to war? That is your claim, right?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Of course we will not agree on everything. That is the point of having states. People are not going to agree on everything. And you shouldn't force people to agree on everything. That is why the states are supposed to really be 50 independent and autonomous units and laboratories. One state tries something that may work for them, but it may or may not work for another state. Its a more flexible option than a rigid Federal cookie cutter option.
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I want to say thank u for this conversation and educating me on this topic . U have definitely given me something to look into and analyze. Appreciate the knowledge
 
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Forever151 said:
I say modern because it’s going to result in extremism on both sides . The modern Democrat has gone more left and the modern republican have gone more right .
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That’s not only not true, but also we have more federal overreach not less. States don’t have more right, they have less. Yet you believe both sides are becoming more extreme.

That works opposite of your argument. Not in its favor. Unless I’m missing something?

And can you tell me how the right has become more radical?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm just saying that just because Person X disagrees with you on certain issues, that doesn't mean that you have to discount or disagree with everything they say. Believe it or not, people on opposite sides of the aisle can have issues where they have common ground. We need to try to do more of that rather than the polarization that has gone own over the last 30 years.
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You might want to look back at your posts tonight, Ras. I have liked many of them. Actually, I often like a lot of your posts. Your worship of all things Putin is utterly bizarre to me.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Simple solution. Move to commie California. Problem solved
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Well, at least you aren't denying what is about to go down in red states. Tennessee is my home, I've built a life here. I went to UT. It is hard to contemplate having to leave, but it might become necessary. For a party of "freedom" and "liberty", y'all sure seem quick to want to force anyone out that doesn't agree with you. I can't imagine carrying that kind of hatred around, but you do you.
 
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Forever151 said:
Norway , Belgium , Netherlands , Denmark … U know the country’s with the happiest populations
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The countries that get really angry when you call them socialists? And that all practice a freer form of capitalism than we do? You can’t be serious

You do realize those countries are known for their lack of business regulations right?
 
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