Gun control debate (merged)

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It’s moronic to attempt to apply the Bible to government. The Bible is for an individual to read, learn from and apply to themselves and their own behavior. Using it to tell others how to live is just as moronic. But sadly that’s what most do. That’s how we ended up with 40k denominations that can’t agree on a damn thing. But if we’re going to use the Bible to justify government/ other people should do then I say we start with

1 thes 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Edit: was going from memory. Decided to look it up.
It’s actually 2 thes 3:10
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
This is one example of why everyone should be carrying. You never know when you may need it!

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This is what liberals like Luther want. This lady doesn't matter to him or the thousands of unarmed people assaulted every day. Hs an advocate for the thugs and criminals.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Ummmm,
If weed is legal then it’s not a crime to smoke it. Therefore all the criminal activity of smoking weed goes away because…..it’s not illegal anymore.
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The smoking it isn’t the crime that’s the issue, outside of DUIs. Police don’t care about smoking weed inside your house.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
You didn’t understand a single word of what I just said did you?
Pity is is then. I am sorry.
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lol...
I understood every single word.
The Bible uses eternal damnation as its negative motivator. (hey, but it's your choice)
The US uses jail. (hey, it's still your choice)

And to think you thought you were actually making a point......your pity should be redirected, maybe even inwardly.
 
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luthervol said:
Do not withhold good from those whom it is due when it is in your power to act. Proverbs 3:27

The generous will themselves be blessed, for they share their food with the poor. Proverbs 22:9

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’ Deuteronomy 15:11

Whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor. Proverbs 14:21

Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy. Proverbs 31:8-9

Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow’s cause. Isaiah 1:17

Feed the hungry, and help those in trouble. Then your light will shine out from the darkness, and the darkness around you will be as bright as noon. Isaiah 58:10

And the King will answer them, ‘Don’t you know? When you cared for one of the least important of these my little ones, my true brothers and sisters, you demonstrated love for me.’ Matthew 25:40

My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. John 15:12

For even the Son of Man did not come expecting to be served by everyone, but to serve everyone, and to give his life as the ransom price in exchange for the salvation of many.” Mark 10:45

Learn to generously share what you have with those who ask for help, and don’t close your heart to the one who comes to borrow from you.” Matthew 5:42

The greatest among you will be your servant. Matthew 23:11

You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. Galatians 5:13

Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms. 1 Peter 4:10

Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way, you will fulfill the law of Christ. Galatians 6:2

God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. Hebrews 6:10

And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices, God is pleased. Hebrews 13:16
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Yeah that's all personal giving/generosity. That's not what our government does. The US is still the most personally giving nation in the world. And probably the most nationally giving as well, 40 billion to Ukraine comes immediately to mind.

All the government does is drive people away from personal giving. When it's taken from you, the idea of helping others takes on a sour taste in your mouth. When you are forced to give to some and not others, it limits your willingness to give further. When you are berated for giving to one cause and not another, it decreases your willingness to give.

If we are letting those without sin cast stones our government and politicians need to stfu and hang their head in shame and walk away.

You want to deride Christians for them not standing up to your idea of Christianity without the first bit of knowledge of what they go through. They may already be giving their last two coins because the government took the rest away. Or now they may not even have two coins to give.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s moronic to attempt to apply the Bible to government. The Bible is for an individual to read, learn from and apply to themselves and their own behavior. Using it to tell others how to live is just as moronic. But sadly that’s what most do. That’s how we ended up with 40k denominations that can’t agree on a damn thing. But if we’re going to use the Bible to justify government/ other people should do then I say we start with

1 thes 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Edit: was going from memory. Decided to look it up.
It’s actually 2 thes 3:10
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easy for you since you only have half as much to worry about... j/k
 
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hog88 said:
That was the same policy when I was in. 1sgt knew better to look up into the drop ceiling in the barracks though.

During a surprise health & welfare inspection I heard our new CO ask shouldn’t we look in the ceiling? 1sgt asked him how many good soldiers did he want to courts martial.
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Failing a piss test was about the only thing that would get you in our unit aside from going awol. I suppose you can get an article 15 for using the wrong pronoun now.
 
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Not sure we can talk about gun control until we can get democratic ran cities under control. Lets address the entire problem and not just pick and choose because of media manipulation. If you don't hold Chicago weekend updates to the same standard as the recent shootings you are the problem, not politicians in Washington.
 
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Majors said:
Not sure we can talk about gun control until we can get democratic ran cities under control. Lets address the entire problem and not just pick and choose because of media manipulation. If you don't hold Chicago weekend updates to the same standard as the recent shootings you are the problem, not politicians in Washington.
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Indiana needs to get the thugs some AR 15s.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah that's all personal giving/generosity. That's not what our government does. The US is still the most personally giving nation in the world. And probably the most nationally giving as well, 40 billion to Ukraine comes immediately to mind.

All the government does is drive people away from personal giving. When it's taken from you, the idea of helping others takes on a sour taste in your mouth. When you are forced to give to some and not others, it limits your willingness to give further. When you are berated for giving to one cause and not another, it decreases your willingness to give.

If we are letting those without sin cast stones our government and politicians need to stfu and hang their head in shame and walk away.

You want to deride Christians for them not standing up to your idea of Christianity without the first bit of knowledge of what they go through. They may already be giving their last two coins because the government took the rest away. Or now they may not even have two coins to give.
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And coerced giving does nothing good for your soul. And Luther appears to make the assumption that what is taken from us actually ends up in the pockets of the needy. Government is about the most inefficient conduit for getting money where it is actually needed. I would love to see a study sometime as to how much of every dollar spent in taxes actually ends up in the pocket of a needy person as opposed to administration salaries, contractor fees, bureaucratic red tape, reporting requirements, and other such waste.
At least when I give a dollar to a charity, I can examine its finances and be able to give to the ones that are actually effective. You have no such ability with Uncle Sam. He has a total monopoly and doesn’t have to answer to you.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And coerced giving does nothing good for your soul. And Luther appears to make the assumption that what is taken from us actually ends up in the pockets of the needy. Government is about the most inefficient conduit for getting money where it is actually needed. I would love to see a study sometime as to how much of every dollar spent in taxes actually ends up in the pocket of a needy person as opposed to administration salaries, contractor fees, bureaucratic red tape, reporting requirements, and other such waste.
At least when I give a dollar to a charity, I can examine its finances and be able to give to the ones that are actually effective. You have no such ability with Uncle Sam. He has a total monopoly and doesn’t have to answer to you.
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I think voluntary charity is far more preferable than government programs. As I have often said, government only steps in when and where society has failed to adequately address the problem in the absence of government.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah that's all personal giving/generosity. That's not what our government does. The US is still the most personally giving nation in the world. And probably the most nationally giving as well, 40 billion to Ukraine comes immediately to mind.

All the government does is drive people away from personal giving. When it's taken from you, the idea of helping others takes on a sour taste in your mouth. When you are forced to give to some and not others, it limits your willingness to give further. When you are berated for giving to one cause and not another, it decreases your willingness to give.

If we are letting those without sin cast stones our government and politicians need to stfu and hang their head in shame and walk away.

You want to deride Christians for them not standing up to your idea of Christianity without the first bit of knowledge of what they go through. They may already be giving their last two coins because the government took the rest away. Or now they may not even have two coins to give.
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I don't think I have derided Christians. I find the teachings of Christianity to mostly be a great guide to living one's life.
 
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