War in Ukraine

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So Germany thinks that if they give Ukraine weapons that are too devastating, that Ukraine might roll into Russia and have German equipment being used in Russia again? Really? So you guys buy this excuse?

Olaf Scholz and Ukraine: Why Has Germany Been So Slow to Deliver Weapons? - DER SPIEGEL

At the same time, sources close to the government say there is concern that Ukraine could become overconfident if it experiences a string of battlefield victories and rolls into Russian territory – which would mean that German tanks would once again be inside Russia. It is a concern that highlights a certain distrust in Berlin of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. And that, too, is a reason why the defense industry in Germany has not been authorized to deliver battle tanks.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So Germany thinks that if they give Ukraine weapons that are too devastating, that Ukraine might roll into Russia and have German equipment being used in Russia again? Really? So you guys buy this excuse?

Olaf Scholz and Ukraine: Why Has Germany Been So Slow to Deliver Weapons? - DER SPIEGEL

At the same time, sources close to the government say there is concern that Ukraine could become overconfident if it experiences a string of battlefield victories and rolls into Russian territory – which would mean that German tanks would once again be inside Russia. It is a concern that highlights a certain distrust in Berlin of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. And that, too, is a reason why the defense industry in Germany has not been authorized to deliver battle tanks.
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Personally I think if Putin thinks the western countries might attack mother Russia he will unleash his nukes. He has nothing to lose since I think he's dying.
 
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VolStrom said:
Personally I think if Putin thinks the western countries might attack mother Russia he will unleash his nukes. He has nothing to lose since I think he's dying.
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Are you serious? We are all dying at some point, but surely you are not talking about these ridiculous blood cancer/Parkinson's rumors, are you?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So Germany thinks that if they give Ukraine weapons that are too devastating, that Ukraine might roll into Russia and have German equipment being used in Russia again? Really? So you guys buy this excuse?

Olaf Scholz and Ukraine: Why Has Germany Been So Slow to Deliver Weapons? - DER SPIEGEL

At the same time, sources close to the government say there is concern that Ukraine could become overconfident if it experiences a string of battlefield victories and rolls into Russian territory – which would mean that German tanks would once again be inside Russia. It is a concern that highlights a certain distrust in Berlin of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. And that, too, is a reason why the defense industry in Germany has not been authorized to deliver battle tanks.
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Could a Leopard in the right/wrong hands make it across a border? Yes.

Could it stay/survive? Probably not.

Not sure which version of Leopard they are sending but I would say some of them are superior to our Abrams. And with the russians driving T-62s around in some locations any of the Leopards would chew those up. I dont even know if t62s have kinetic rounds. Their HEAT may be outdated enough where Leopard armor wont care.
 
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LouderVol said:
Could a Leopard in the right/wrong hands make it across a border? Yes.

Could it stay/survive? Probably not.

Not sure which version of Leopard they are sending but I would say some of them are superior to our Abrams. And with the russians driving T-62s around in some locations any of the Leopards would chew those up. I dont even know if t62s have kinetic rounds. Their HEAT may be outdated enough where Leopard armor wont care.
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All current versions of the Abrams, Leopard, Challenger, and even Leclerc are pretty competitive and would likely come to crew and tactics.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
All current versions of the Abrams, Leopard, Challenger, and even Leclerc are pretty competitive and would likely come to crew and tactics.
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Agreed. My 2 cents would have the challenger at the back of that list. But tactics like you said matter a whole heck of lot.

In their home countries those tactics are decidedly anti-Russian and would feast. In the hands of some flash trained Ukrainian volunteer? They arent going to be much more dangerous than whatever Russian hand-me-downs they still have left.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So Germany thinks that if they give Ukraine weapons that are too devastating, that Ukraine might roll into Russia and have German equipment being used in Russia again? Really? So you guys buy this excuse?

Olaf Scholz and Ukraine: Why Has Germany Been So Slow to Deliver Weapons? - DER SPIEGEL

At the same time, sources close to the government say there is concern that Ukraine could become overconfident if it experiences a string of battlefield victories and rolls into Russian territory – which would mean that German tanks would once again be inside Russia. It is a concern that highlights a certain distrust in Berlin of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. And that, too, is a reason why the defense industry in Germany has not been authorized to deliver battle tanks.
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"Initially, they didn’t believe that the Ukrainians had a chance against Russia and sent the bare minimum necessary for plausible deniability, starting with 5,000 helmets."

At first he wouldn't send weapons because Ukraine doesn't have a chance. Now he won't send weapons because Ukraine is going to invade Russia. I don't buy it either.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There is not really a significant domestic car market in Russia and most of the imports come from sanctioning countries.

So how is this hurting Russia? So they don't buy any cars... OK? Does that hurt Russia or the countries that used to import cars to Russia?

Can someone explain to me how this hurts Russia?
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LMFAO you can rationalize anything anti to your Pootin narrative, Moe!

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Rasputin_Vol said:
There is not really a significant domestic car market in Russia and most of the imports come from sanctioning countries.

So how is this hurting Russia? So they don't buy any cars... OK? Does that hurt Russia or the countries that used to import cars to Russia?

Can someone explain to me how this hurts Russia?
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Think about it. They don't have an auto industry. They import all their autos and parts. All imports have been cut off. The first month their sales dropped 85%. You tell me who it hurts.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Think about it. They don't have an auto industry. They import all their autos and parts. All imports have been cut off. The first month their sales dropped 85%. You tell me who it hurts.
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Look man, super awesome Russia men will turn lemons into lemonade. They will get in better physical shape than lazy Americans while riding bicycles everywhere….oh wait. Sorry.

Bike suppliers pull out of Russia
 
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