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But those same athletes are decked out in Nike and other brands that are basically controlled by China and all their humanitarian issues.

Tracing money sources is a real slippery slope for athletes. They need to be careful when some of them are getting on their high horses. Rory has been very outspoken for someone who made millions off Jumeirah.

Most of these tournaments are in favorable locations in US and Europe and it’s a fun format. Don’t blame anyone for going, like to think I’d say no, but don’t blame anyone for going.

There’s more to it than just where the money comes from, for me. It’s not something that I care to watch, and knowing that one competitor has already made $125 million before playing doesn’t make it compelling.

The PGA Tour put these guys in the spotlight, so I understand why some others may be outspoken.
 
I've been and it was amazing. Maybe one day after the present insanity you'll get a chance. I'm an art history and a history buff: it's a must see for those. Midnight sun is a fun time.
History major here! Tsar’s and such are fascinating to me. Catherine the Great, Rasputin, Nicholas , etc…….
 
Good for you..it's f'n stupid gimmicky 💩, and it hurts the real tours. If you wanna watch a bunch of crap exhibition golf with guys making huge appearance money parading as real competition...go for it.
So other than “it’s F’n stupid”, how does it hurt the other tours?
Edit to add. Verizon and AT&T are both successful, why can’t we have competition in golf?
 
Ive got a pit. He's the sweetest dog I've known, but he still scares me. Give him one of those giant bones from rural king and he literally bites it in half without really trying. He weighs about 70-75lbs.

I believe he could easily kill someone who he thought was hurting one of our family. Not sure he could be stopped. That's scary, especially knowing there are other version of him that have been trained to kill on command.

Here he is in a guest bedroom he has claimed.
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He looks more staffy than pit.
 
I always thought every tour player should be required to play at each tour stop once every three years…….

Amen, brother. Just my personal opinion, but not doing that and just focusing on the tracks that player does best at really does not prove how good they are. The best players in my book are the ones who can play at a high level any style anywhere on all types of greens and weather. Playing every three years is a great suggestion. If they did something like that and made some compensation type adjustments, it would help them, the tournaments, the tour overall. They could even allow for a set number of non-tour events for each player each season.
 
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That's what some of the pros are saying. Meanwhile RBC cancelled their sponsorship of him because he is playing for the Saudis' league instead of honoring his commitment to play in the RBC sponsored Canadian Open this week. Which is a regular PGA tour event that as a tour member he was committed to supporting. Pulling potential players away from any regular tour event field is not in the tour's best interests.

Don't know what the answer is to this, but I know when people grab the money over honoring commitments it usually does not bode well. DJ's 96th in FedEx Cup points this season with only 2 top 10's. His stats are not good either and he has only played 10 events. Not seeing much to miss in all honesty. It looks like he mentally checked out months ago to me.

I am sure DJ understood about the commitment but when someone waves 125 mil in your face sure makes it easier to let those commitment go. I am seeing a lot about about how DJ isn't on top of his game and that may be so but so is Ricky Fowler. Jordan Spieth had a bad stretch like many others. DJ is talented and enough if he doesn't get back to where he is, he still a factor in any tourney. There is a line of keeping commitments though and PGA letting players play in other events. Players can't have it both ways. They do need to keep commitments for sure. This world just keeps getting more nuts everyday. It want hurt the PGA unless they can pull some of the young stars which I don't think they will but hey what do I know. LOL
 
I apologize but I couldn’t resist adding my 2 cents to the NIL discussion.

First, anyone looking at O’Bannon and Alston to try to figure out the legal landscape for NIL and payment of players is potentially at least somewhat behind the curve.

The new case is HOUSE VS NCAA.

The case was filed in 2020 and amended in 2021. The NCAA unsuccessfully sought to get the case dismissed.

The case is in the Federal District Court of Northern California (Oakland).

The case is before U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken, who presided over O’Bannon and Alston, but is a long way from resolution. Judge Wilken is scheduled to hold a hearing on class certification on May 24, 2023, and a jury trial in Oakland is scheduled for Sept. 26, 2024. With potential appeals, the case could be on the docket well into the 2020s. But time hasn’t been a deterrent to those who seek NCAA reform. Both O’Bannon and Alston took more than six years, and both cases defeated the NCAA.

Co-counsel on the case is Jeffrey Kessler considered the nation’s top sports litigator. He successfully argued the Alston case.

Led by Arizona State swimmer Grant House, Oregon basketball player Sedona Prince and former Illinois football player Tymir Oliver, the consolidated litigation claims the NCAA and its members have illegally conspired, until 2021, to deny both NIL opportunities and pay for college athletes appearing in televised broadcasts. NCAA rules, the players argue, have unduly interfered with the basic tenets of competition and market economies.

If successful, House would lead to an injunction that compels the NCAA to change its rules. It would also bring treble damages—a sizable dollar figure if college athletes should have been paid to be on TV in recent years and if the case is certified as a class action on behalf of tens of thousands of athletes.

Kessler addressed the recent guidance put out by the NCAA.

NCAA leaders have said they failed to anticipate such developments as NIL collectives or all-team endorsement deals, which were never intended to take hold during the interim period. But in Kessler’s mind, these ships have already found their way to open waters.

“The only basis you could have for going after that concern would be some claim that it was necessary to preserve competitive balance,” said Kessler. “But the problem in that argument is that it has already been established that there is no competitive balance in FBS football or Division I basketball. And, if there is no balance, there is no balance to preserve.”

There’s a lot of things the lawsuit attacks but one that really stood out to me is the NCAA’s prohibition about using NIL as a recruiting tool. The lawsuit wants the courts to give the NCAA double Gauldens or the Jordan Beck salute or both regarding its stance on NIL as a recruiting tool.

Kessler, says he is “happily monitoring” the situation surrounding the NCAA’s recent announcement that its Division I Board of Directors had passed specific guidelines aimed at adding enforcement teeth to its nearly year-old interim NIL policy.

“Frankly, I think a lot of this will be talk and very little action, precisely because they know what will happen,” said Kessler.

Kessler maintained that if the NCAA “posts additional restrictions regarding NIL rights,” those restrictions would be challenged under existing claims in the lawsuit. He also contended that other antitrust lawsuits brought by athletes over NIL would likely be brought into House. “We don’t need a new lawsuit,” he stressed, “we already have a lawsuit.” At the same time, Kessler noted that potential antitrust suits brought by boosters and businesses wouldn’t be part of House, which is a players’ case. He added that new cases brought against the NCAA and schools for violating state NIL statutes would have their own trajectories, as well.

The NCAA’s new guidance seems designed to mitigate the risk of litigation. Noticeably, the guideline includes a disclaimer that it “is subject to state NIL laws or executive actions with the force of law in effect.” The guidance also contends it is merely clarifying rules that are already in place, as opposed to instituting new rules.

I think House is probably the Hammer blow to the NCAA as it relates to student athletes and their financial compensation. I think that may also be why we’ve been hearing more scuttlebutt about the P-5 schools in particular taking their revenue sports programs outside of the NCAA. jmo.

Being older as I am, I really hoping I make it to see the outcome of the House case. I love a good fight and I hate, hate, hate the NCAA. jmo.
What’s your Venmo… I feel guilty for not paying you for your contributions here
 
Had a chance to go to St Petersburg two years ago with my wife and in-laws. Dang Covid…….:mad:

Always wanted to go……
I too would like to go to St. Petersburg. So much history. I have been to Moscow twice and I have also traveled to the Karelia Oblast north east of St. Petersburg, but St. Petersburg has so much to see and do.
I would love to do the river cruise between St. Pete and Moscow
 
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