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UTSuave’ said:
Can someone please explain to me what this rift is on the PGA tour and LIV?..why are all of these PGA players resigning..I’ve read the negative concerning LIV but is it really true?..what is going on..so I can understand better from someone who keeps up with golf.
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Saudi Arabia is “Sportswashing”. TLDR version: the investment in sporting and entertainment is them trying to buy goodwill for their awful human rights and other issues.

Also, this is the overall view of not just PGA vs LIV but with all sports in general vs Saudi input. European Soccer has been fighting sportswashing for a while now but Manchester City, Paris Saint-Germain, etc all have Saudi owners and are some of the biggest spenders in soccer.

Saudi Arabia has spent at least $1.5bn on 'sportswashing', report reveals
 
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Vols4us said:
Violation of the existing policies of the PGA and European Tours. They are to fully support the tours as members. SA with Norman fronting are trying to develop a counter tour. The pros are independent contractors, but to be members they have to comply with the policies to remain so. They feel they should be able to go where they want when they want as long as they fulfill their obligations on the other tours. They also feel those tours are not giving them a fair share of the money flowing in - that the established tours are keeping more than a fair amount. Which is weird since they are the members who vote on the policies on the existing tours.

As voting members of those existing tours they need enough other members to agree to go along with changes in that and other areas of contention. The vast majority do not agree with them in each tour. Most of the big names going LIV are on the backside of their careers and some younger have never amounted to much on the existing. They don't like playing 4 day tournaments and doing a specified numbers of pro ams against large fields of golfers since they have already competed at that level for quite awhile. The LIV is using a more fun team approach and only 3 day tourneys with much smaller fields. They make money no matter how well they play. The existing tours have the two day cuts - no making the cut, no money. The PGA Tour does not allow payment of "appearance" money for just entering a tournament. The European does, though it is controlled.

The problem is they are undercutting what gave them their opportunity and big names for a huge money grab to play lesser watched tournaments against less competition. Has a made for TV exhibition feel to it initially to me. Which is why the current elite, younger players are not biting like Rory, Justin, Jordan, Jon, etc. Nicklaus turned down the front man role and Tiger is not biting as a player or front man as well. Will see how it goes. Norman's had an axe to grind with the PGA Tour for decades.
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Hit the nail on the head. It's a money grab for those jumping. I can understand some of the average players who are playing LIV because they can make much more for themselves. But DJ has made millions, and it will be interesting to see where he can go from here. The Ryder Cup may look different.

Wasn't Norman initially involved in the World Golf Championship Series? He was trying to get away from the PGA Tour then. I guess he couldn't ever seal the deal in a bunch of high level tournaments, so he took his ball and wanted to go somewhere else.

How dare you have to make cuts and win to make money? I doubt LIV makes any money, but apparently the Saudis have an unlimited amount, so I guess they can spend it.
 
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MKEvol said:
I see you copied and pasted this from Wikipedia on O'Bannon, so I find it curious that you left out the most vital part of your argument - the one that proves you have no clue what you are talking about. It goes right between your two paragraphs...

She ordered that schools should be allowed to offer full cost-of-attendance scholarships to athletes, covering cost-of-living expenses that were not currently part of NCAA scholarships. Wilken also ruled that college be permitted to place as much as $5,000 into a trust for each athlete per year of eligibility.

So once again, as it feels like I am talking to a brick wall....
O'Bannon was a case that dealt solely with education benefits. What it meant for "full cost-of-attendance." That case does zero to address rights of publicity, NIL, etc.
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Because you skipped the central tenet of the ruling. Athletes have a right to profit. And that was upheld by Supreme Court. Brick walls are very frustrating to gusts of hot air.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
This might sound strange, but it just dawned on me that not everyone is a lifelong Vols fan. I kinda assumed that, as a kid, you liked them or you grew up with UT fans. I just saw someone mention they became a fan in Sept. 2019.

I grew up just across the river from Neyland. My grandma lived off Martin Mill pk, next to Fleniken elementary. Every football Saturday, we'd climb the hill behind Fleniken and watch for the fireworks after a score.

The old man, who lived on top of the hill, would always have John Ward playing. We'd build dirt jumps in the woods next to his house and ride the trails while the broadcast aired. Whenever we scored, we'd know it. The radio excitment, then hearing "Go Vols" being yelled inside & outside houses having game day bbq's up and down the street, and seeing or hearing the fireworks exploding. . . I was hooked early, as far back as I can remember.

When/why did you become a Vols fan?
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Moved all over through my childhood even though I was born in TN I never really though about the Vols till I got to my freshman year of high school in Chugiak, AK. I didnt know a soul but saw how everybody there was from somewhere else and there was a lot of state pride of where you were from. So I got a Vols sweatshirt somehow and since I loved football I started watching the Vols whenever I could and tracking down their scores and stats in the newspaper. Andy Kelly Was at UT the same years I was in high school and that was my guy. It just grew from there, now a mighty oak in my heart.
 
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Orange. said:
Choose one.
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Orange. said:
Choose one.
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Chose one what? That trust was an educational benefit, it had nothing to do with a personal right to publicity.

What that holding said was that schools had two different ways of meeting the law: 1) provide a stipend for the true cost of attendance or 2) Hold in a trust (with a cap of $5k) school group licensing funds to compensate students who participate in college athletics and have out of pocket educational bills. The students could only access that fund after they graduate. That specific portion was then overturned by a 3 person panel in the 9th Circuit, and no longer applies.

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2015/09/30/14-16601.pdf
 
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VolGee4 said:
Hit the nail on the head. It's a money grab for those jumping. I can understand some of the average players who are playing LIV because they can make much more for themselves. But DJ has made millions, and it will be interesting to see where he can go from here. The Ryder Cup may look different.

Wasn't Norman initially involved in the World Golf Championship Series? He was trying to get away from the PGA Tour then. I guess he couldn't ever seal the deal in a bunch of high level tournaments, so he took his ball and wanted to go somewhere else.

How dare you have to make cuts and win to make money? I doubt LIV makes any money, but apparently the Saudis have an unlimited amount, so I guess they can spend it.
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I’ve already stated I would not accept the money, but we’re not talking about small differences. DJ will make roughly $50M more than his career PGA Tour winnings (~$75M) in ONE season. It’s not about having to make cuts to make money. It’s how much the players get when they do make a cut vs how much the Tour gets, media rights, and a bunch of other things. I don’t envy them. It’s easy for me to say I wouldn’t do it from here when there isn’t a $125M check with my name on it sitting on the table.
 
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butchna said:
Because you skipped the central tenet of the ruling. Athletes have a right to profit. And that was upheld by Supreme Court. Brick walls are very frustrating to gusts of hot air.
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MKEvol said:
Chose one what? That trust was an educational benefit, it had nothing to do with a personal right to publicity.

What that holding said was that schools had two different ways of meeting the law: 1) provide a stipend for the true cost of attendance or 2) Hold in a trust (with a cap of $5k) school group licensing funds to compensate students who participate in college athletics and have out of pocket educational bills. The students could only access that fund after they graduate. That specific portion was then overturned by a 3 person panel in the 9th Circuit, and no longer applies.

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2015/09/30/14-16601.pdf
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Weezer said:
Can't believe you're cheering for Arkansas....
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I’m in a rough spot….. hate Arkansas and want them to lose but the guy that coaches little league with me has spent most of the season talking trash about Tennessee baseball…. He is a huge NC fan…. It makes me want NC to lose so bad I can’t stand it. LOL
 
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Glitch said:
I try to tell people this. I have always been one to shy away from pitts, but then we went to the shelter one afternoon and took Winston out for a walk to get to know him a little. He just came up and put his head in my lap with his big ole sad eyes and my heart melted. He is so gentle and easy going. Like many dogs, he doesn't like thunderstorms or fireworks but other than that he is a wonderful dog and we wouldn't trade him for anything.
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I raised a pit bull for about 6 months several years ago(showed up at my house/owner finally claimed her….it was like you described…. Very sweet and never had any issues at all with it. That being said the story of the elderly woman from maryville that had raised two from pups that attacked her when she started up a lawnmower….. my friend that had his arm bit in two…. Numerous other stories out there…. They are just too strong and powerful, imo…. Now PIt mixes probably aren’t as dangerous depending on what they are mixed with…
 
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OrangeSticks said:
I’ve already stated I would not accept the money, but we’re not talking about small differences. DJ will make roughly $50M more than his career PGA Tour winnings (~$75M) in ONE season. It’s not about having to make cuts to make money. It’s how much the players get when they do make a cut vs how much the Tour gets, media rights, and a bunch of other things. I don’t envy them. It’s easy for me to say I wouldn’t do it from here when there isn’t a $125M check with my name on it sitting on the table.
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I won't ever have to make that decision with that amount of money, but DJ makes much more through sponsorships and other appearances than just the $75 million he has made on tour. How much is enough though? There is no doubt that he did the financial analysis, knowing that he was going to lose sponsors and other revenue streams. As you say, the origins of the money is suspect, but DJ also decided that the Ryder Cup and possibly other majors (undecided) were worth losing to grab the money. While it's easy for me to say I guess, but I believe life and experiences through events like the Ryder Cup are worth much more than the money.

I disagree a little about what it's worth making cuts. The money has grown exponentially in tour events through the years, and maybe DJ should send Tiger some of it for what he's done to raise those purses. But, these players in the LIV event don't have to do jack squat to make something. It incentivizes just showing up and not really competing. But, hey, I guess that's what we all want, right? Make the most by doing the least.
 
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Just a thought I had today... Auburn is going to have a mediocre at best QB, a WR corps where the leading receiver has like 300 career yards, an offensive line unchanged from last year that was awful, a head coach who's gonna have contractors coming in and taking measurements in his office all year... And Tank Bigsby.

How on earth did they convince that dude to come back just to look at stacked boxes and a poverty Oline? Still don't get it.
 
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