Gun control debate (merged)

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IluvdoubleD's said:
again, I agree with everything except the age limit. If you can be conscripted to go over seas and kill people for your country you are an adult across the board.
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I will support an increase in the age to purchase a firearm as long as it is matched by an equivalent increase in voting age. I am being serious here.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If you don’t believe people who smoke weed are involved in gun violence, you are clueless. Ten people were murdered in knox county this year over weed
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So 10 died because of overreaching laws? Hmmm

Do more die per year because of alcohol or weed?
 
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utvolpj said:
So 10 died because of overreaching laws? Hmmm

Do more die per year because of alcohol or weed?
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Who cares? The statement was “no one is killed over weed”. Just like the previous statement by clear that “you can’t be addicted to weed” is factually wrong and not cleared up by “it’s not as addictive as heroin”.

There is no “overreaching law” that says drug dealing and shooting someone should be legal
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Who cares? The statement was “no one is killed over weed”. Just like the previous statement by clear that “you can’t be addicted to weed” is factually wrong and not cleared up by “it’s not as addictive as heroin”.

There is no “overreaching law” that says drug dealing and shooting someone should be legal
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"no one is dying of covid". There's a difference in an absolute and statistics. Yes it happens but it's approaching zero

That's because you define drug dealing as simply selling weed between consenting adults. It should be legal and then that no longer counts. See how that works? Guess that would mean finding another revenue stream.

The war on drugs was lost long ago. The holdouts are still so vocal though
 
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utvolpj said:
"no one is dying of covid". There's a difference in an absolute and statistics. Yes it happens but it's approaching zero

That's because you define drug dealing as simply selling weed between consenting adults. It should be legal and then that no longer counts. See how that works? Guess that would mean finding another revenue stream.

The war on drugs was lost long ago. The holdouts are still so vocal though
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I don’t care about legal weed and I don’t care what people do in their own homes even with other illegal drugs. I’ve said that before. Weed is a drug like any other, the only three issues I have is that making drugs legal doesn’t lessen the public crimes (thefts, gangs, DUIs, PIs) around it, that it has negative health side affects (especially for some specific users) that potheads always dismiss, and that it would never be accepted to fail a drug test to work in most places
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I don’t care about legal weed and I don’t care what people do in their own homes even with other illegal drugs. I’ve said that before. Weed is a drug like any other, the only three issues I have is that making drugs legal doesn’t lessen the public crimes (thefts, gangs, DUIs, PIs) around it, that it has negative health side affects (especially for some specific users) that potheads always dismiss, and that it would never be accepted to fail a drug test to work in most places
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Legalize weed and the crimes around it absolutely drop. Not sure how that could be argued. There are more negative side effects surrounding legal drugs than weed. This crusade to demonize it is curious
 
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utvolpj said:
Legalize weed and the crimes around it absolutely drop. Not sure how that could be argued. There are more negative side effects surrounding legal drugs than weed. This crusade to demonize it is curious
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Stating the facts about its negative impact on people’s health shouldn’t be “demonizing” to anyone except those moron pothead addicts who think it cures cancer or some such sillyness.
But legalizing it will not make the crimes go away as in Colorado, California, Illinois and other places where it has been legalized, gangs still sell and fight over the market, with even more dangerous strains out there
 
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CAVPUT said:
What I question is how someone that age working at a minimum wage job could afford weapons like that not to mention the ammo/armor, etc. Stinks more than just a little. I'm sick of hearing how the authorities "knew of" a perp but didn't act on it. Even worse is this expectation that the police will be there to help much less stop an attack. They show up after the fact dressed like a tactical team to show off their gear and put on a show for the press but other than taking care of paperwork, they do nothing but clean up AFTER the fact. Consider the attacks that happen each and every day that don't involve firearms. Stabbings, beatings, robberies, rapes. Our society has gone mad and people have a God given right to defend themselves. Yes, my firearms are "precious". The second amendment is "precious" and non-negotiable. Anyone foolish to believe that we'd have utopia by removing firearms from the hands of the people and trusting this evil den of vipers we call the federal govt is a fool and deserves the hell they get. Firearms are not the problem. Removing them from the people's possession leaves only the criminals and govt with them. Personally, I find that to be completely unacceptable and insane. It won't make things safer. It will close the doors on the cage that's being crafted right before our eyes. Speaking as a vet and from a family where 2 members died fighting for this country, it's a hell no from me.
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How come we are the only country that is having this mass shooting problem?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Stating the facts about its negative impact on people’s health shouldn’t be “demonizing” to anyone except those moron pothead addicts who think it cures cancer or some such sillyness.
But legalizing it will not make the crimes go away as in Colorado, California, Illinois and other places where it has been legalized, gangs still sell and fight over the market, with even more dangerous strains out there
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Dangerous strains? In what way are they dangerous.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Stating the facts about its negative impact on people’s health shouldn’t be “demonizing” to anyone except those moron pothead addicts who think it cures cancer or some such sillyness.
But legalizing it will not make the crimes go away as in Colorado, California, Illinois and other places where it has been legalized, gangs still sell and fight over the market, with even more dangerous strains out there
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The issue is your stance and the stance of most other anti-legalization people is always hypocritical. You don't target the legal drugs that have a far more devastating effect on our society. You choose to go after one of the least harmful because you were told that illegal = bad.
 
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utvolpj said:
The issue is your stance and the stance of most other anti-legalization people is always hypocritical. You don't target the legal drugs that have a far more devastating effect on our society. You choose to go after one of the least harmful because you were told that illegal = bad.
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I don’t agree with being addicted to or intoxicated in public with any other drug either how is that hypocritical?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
We have the most guns per capita by far and the most mass shootings by far. Is it really so hard to see?
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We used to have a higher % of gun ownership and they were easier to buy, we didn't have mass shootings then so no it's not easy to see. It's just a convenient scapegoat for those that don't want to look into our real problems.
 
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