Gun control debate (merged)

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#21,376
85SugarVol said:
Any semi-automatic weapon can achieve a rate of fire that is similar, across all platforms, depending on the operator.

Single bolt action is obviously going to vary wildly with the operator. But somebody famously let some rounds loose pretty quick in Dallas one time.
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“Allegedly “ .. back and to the left, back and to the left .
 
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evillawyer said:
More flexing from the 2nd Amendment. COVID best not get lazy. 2nd Amendment has its body count in sight.



Active shooter down, multiple injuries reported

Tulsa police say they are currently clearing the building floor by floor, and that it is a "catastrophic" scene inside.
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Lol.

Covid dead in 2 years, 1,000,000+
Gun dead in 2 years 85,000

Gun deaths could multiply by ten and not reach Covid deaths.
 
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Vol Main said:
Militia were commonly used during Indian wars, but the Second Amendment was written to reduce reliance on a large standing army. The Founders believed that the greatest threat to liberty derived from large standing armies and therefore wanted to keep the army small and dependent on Congress for funding. As a backup in case of war, militia made a small army possible. The idea that militia were to keep the government in check is simply wrong. Militia were under command of state governors, who could put them at the disposal of federal forces.
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Who was in charge of that large standing army? And would the threat of that large standing army be to the people and the Consititution?
 
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evillawyer said:
More flexing from the 2nd Amendment. COVID best not get lazy. 2nd Amendment has its body count in sight.



Active shooter down, multiple injuries reported

Tulsa police say they are currently clearing the building floor by floor, and that it is a "catastrophic" scene inside.
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Using the guidelines as for Covid , I’m sure any day now the CDC will come out with stats showing death WITH firearms surpasses Covid deaths . Killed in an auto accident but had a firearm in truck with him .. ✅
 
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GoVols15 said:
AND states could rise up against the federal government. Forgot that part ... wonder why? People that read History and the Constitution would like to know. By the way, your statement that militias made a small federal Army possible is simply a revision of History. Defending our nation against other nations is a FEDERAL responsibility! IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION, you should read it sometime!
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You might want to do a little more research. @Vol Main was almost 100% correct
 
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AM64 said:
That's going to be a fun question - I'll be the dum dum and go first. I'll gamble and go with the either the 5.56 or one of the 7.62s - but dependent on if it hits something like bone or is a through and through. The 5.56 might not remove a leg like a 7.62, but they will all kill equally (maybe not make as big a mess) if they hit in the right place. The three on the left are going to expand and really mess everything up making the odds of repair a lot poorer. The shotgun round has a good chance of hitting something vital. As a doc, it will be interesting to hear your answer. It's tempting to go with what looks like the 7.62x39 AK type round since you specified close range.
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You are correct that they will all kill with a well placed shot. The expanding pistol rounds are slower but make a huge internal wound (with a lot of knockdown power). The faster 5.56 and the larger 7.62 (which is not an AR, and lot of people own AKs) will likely pass through a relatively narrow animal like a human. The round will tumble and if it hits something solid, it's going to be a mess, but I would take that gamble vs the hollow points. We won't even discuss what happens with a slug + 00 buck.

Point is, everyone is focused on the AR15, but it's definitely not the most dangerous or concealable weapon. It's just very popular, fun to shot, and very customizable, so nearly every gun owner has (at least) one. If there's a bazillion of them, of course they will be used in a certain percentage of crimes. If AKs were the popular gun here (as they are in many areas of Europe, Asia, S America), they would be more discussed.
 
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LouderVol said:
Lol.

Covid dead in 2 years, 1,000,000+
Gun dead in 2 years 85,000

Gun deaths could multiply by ten and not reach Covid deaths.
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Wow only 85K. That’s no big deal, nothing needs to change it’s just 85K. I honestly think our healthcare system in this country is a bigger problem than the gun laws. To get help here it’s too expensive, you pay for health insurance then still pay a ton for whatever you need. People who have severe mental illnesses can’t afford it and the ones who do anyways end up in debt their entire lives.
 
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EasternVol said:
Some of them do it to themselves; some of them have it done to them. Using Virginia two years ago as an example, about 25 counties and cities drove legislation which applied to the pther 100+
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Within a state there isn’t much you can do as it’s one carved out semi sovereign entity. I’d submit your example carries more applicability in the handful of blue coastal states driving the huge amount of area in the interior. And while it sounds a bit cheesy with a state if you really don’t like it you can move. But more difficult with a country managed by pure popular vote.
 
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To quote Jim Jefferies:

There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun, and this is the argument… “f*** off. I like guns.” It’s not the best argument, but it’s all you’ve got. And there’s nothing wrong with it. There’s nothing wrong with saying, “I like something. Don’t take it away from me.” But don’t give me this other bulls**t. The main one is, “I need it for protection. I need to protect me. I need to protect my family.” Really? Is that why they’re called “assault rifles”? Is it? I’ve never heard of these f***ing “protection rifles” you speak of
 
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evillawyer said:
To quote Jim Jefferies:

There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun, and this is the argument… “f*** off. I like guns.” It’s not the best argument, but it’s all you’ve got. And there’s nothing wrong with it. There’s nothing wrong with saying, “I like something. Don’t take it away from me.” But don’t give me this other bulls**t. The main one is, “I need it for protection. I need to protect me. I need to protect my family.” Really? Is that why they’re called “assault rifles”? Is it? I’ve never heard of these f***ing “protection rifles” you speak of
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Who is this Jefferies moron?
 
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evillawyer said:
To quote Jim Jefferies:

There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun, and this is the argument… “f*** off. I like guns.” It’s not the best argument, but it’s all you’ve got. And there’s nothing wrong with it. There’s nothing wrong with saying, “I like something. Don’t take it away from me.” But don’t give me this other bulls**t. The main one is, “I need it for protection. I need to protect me. I need to protect my family.” Really? Is that why they’re called “assault rifles”? Is it? I’ve never heard of these f***ing “protection rifles” you speak of
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Spoken like an emotional illogical shrill. Good thing your opinion and understanding of law doesn’t matter
 
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evillawyer said:
Did the greatest comedy standup ever on Americans and their beloved guns. Just blew up every argument for gun ownership.


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What’s funny is he was robbed during a home invasion while he was a drug dealer in England. He laughed about his girlfriend at the time getting sexually assaulted. Clearly someone we should listen to
 
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evillawyer said:
To quote Jim Jefferies:

There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun, and this is the argument… “f*** off. I like guns.” It’s not the best argument, but it’s all you’ve got. And there’s nothing wrong with it. There’s nothing wrong with saying, “I like something. Don’t take it away from me.” But don’t give me this other bulls**t. The main one is, “I need it for protection. I need to protect me. I need to protect my family.” Really? Is that why they’re called “assault rifles”? Is it? I’ve never heard of these f***ing “protection rifles” you speak of
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Only morons call them assault rifles. That would be the people on your side.
 
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