Gun control debate (merged)

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LouderVol said:
Not necessarily to oppose the government but to oppose threats to the people and the Consitution that the government couldnt, or didnt cover.
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Militia were commonly used during Indian wars, but the Second Amendment was written to reduce reliance on a large standing army. The Founders believed that the greatest threat to liberty derived from large standing armies and therefore wanted to keep the army small and dependent on Congress for funding. As a backup in case of war, militia made a small army possible. The idea that militia were to keep the government in check is simply wrong. Militia were under command of state governors, who could put them at the disposal of federal forces.
 
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Vol Main said:
Militia were commonly used during Indian wars, but the Second Amendment was written to reduce reliance on a large standing army. The Founders believed that the greatest threat to liberty derived from large standing armies and therefore wanted to keep the army small and dependent on Congress for funding. As a backup in case of war, militia made a small army possible. The idea that militia were to keep the government in check is simply wrong. Militia were under command of state governors, who could put them at the disposal of federal forces.
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Correct. Now continue on with the right to bear arms section.
 
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“To disarm the people… is the most effectual way to enslave them.”
– George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”
– George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

“That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.”
-George Mason, Virginia Declaration of Rights, June 12 1776

If you gun grabbing libtards do not like the BOR, then amend it.
 
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Vol Main said:
Militia were commonly used during Indian wars, but the Second Amendment was written to reduce reliance on a large standing army. The Founders believed that the greatest threat to liberty derived from large standing armies and therefore wanted to keep the army small and dependent on Congress for funding. As a backup in case of war, militia made a small army possible. The idea that militia were to keep the government in check is simply wrong. Militia were under command of state governors, who could put them at the disposal of federal forces.
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The Federalists absolutely supported a large standing army. Hamilton was pissed when Adams 86’d it.
 
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evillawyer said:
More flexing from the 2nd Amendment. COVID best not get lazy. 2nd Amendment has its body count in sight.



Active shooter down, multiple injuries reported

Tulsa police say they are currently clearing the building floor by floor, and that it is a "catastrophic" scene inside.
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Another "Gun Free Zone", you liberals should learn that in the minds of criminals & the mentally unstable that means a safe zone.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Another "Gun Free Zone", you liberals should learn that in the minds of criminals & the mentally unstable that means a safe zone.
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“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
 
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Vol Main said:
Militia were commonly used during Indian wars, but the Second Amendment was written to reduce reliance on a large standing army. The Founders believed that the greatest threat to liberty derived from large standing armies and therefore wanted to keep the army small and dependent on Congress for funding. As a backup in case of war, militia made a small army possible. The idea that militia were to keep the government in check is simply wrong. Militia were under command of state governors, who could put them at the disposal of federal forces.
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AND states could rise up against the federal government. Forgot that part ... wonder why? People that read History and the Constitution would like to know. By the way, your statement that militias made a small federal Army possible is simply a revision of History. Defending our nation against other nations is a FEDERAL responsibility! IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION, you should read it sometime!
 
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evillawyer said:
More flexing from the 2nd Amendment. COVID best not get lazy. 2nd Amendment has its body count in sight.



Active shooter down, multiple injuries reported

Tulsa police say they are currently clearing the building floor by floor, and that it is a "catastrophic" scene inside.
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So every mentally unbalanced fool wanting his ultimate "look at me" moment knows all he has to do is gun down some people and the press will make him a star until something more outrageous comes along. It used to be called a "slow news day"; now it's called "marketing genius". Funny it's always the gun, never the nut behind it, and certainly not the media making it sensational.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I’ve never seen you define it any other way than ‘X’ and ‘Y’

So 100 rounds in 120 seconds - clearly meets your threshold for restriction.
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Which would mean basically any semi-auto handgun, mag fed rifle, stripper clip fed rifle (dating to the early 1900s), revolver with quickloader, BB gun, pellet gun, or shotgun in trained hands would be classified as an "assault rifle," according to these parameters.

Interesting.

Maybe we Plebes should be restricted to ball and powder.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Fun exercise:

Pick one to be shot by at close range:
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That's going to be a fun question - I'll be the dum dum and go first. I'll gamble and go with the either the 5.56 or one of the 7.62s - but dependent on if it hits something like bone or is a through and through. The 5.56 might not remove a leg like a 7.62, but they will all kill equally (maybe not make as big a mess) if they hit in the right place. The three on the left are going to expand and really mess everything up making the odds of repair a lot poorer. The shotgun round has a good chance of hitting something vital. As a doc, it will be interesting to hear your answer. It's tempting to go with what looks like the 7.62x39 AK type round since you specified close range.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
If people vote for these state legislatures that limit their rights then I’ve got little sympathy for them. The idiots did it to themselves.
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Some of them do it to themselves; some of them have it done to them. Using Virginia two years ago as an example, about 25 counties and cities drove legislation which applied to the pther 100+
 
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StarRaider said:
“That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.”
-George Mason, Virginia Declaration of Rights, June 12 1776
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Spot on
 
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