Summit of Americas... but only for certain members of America

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Rasputin_Vol

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The cancel culture/sanctions/Mean girls attitude of this country is disgusting. If you don't agree with the US or bootlick, then we will try to isolate you.

The Summit of the Americas Could be Biden’s Next Foreign Policy Embarrassment - CounterPunch.org

Guatemala leader won't attend summit in LA after US critique - ABC News (go.com)

Announcing his decision at Mexico’s embassy in Guatemala did not appear to be coincidence. Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said last week that he would not attend the summit unless the White House invited all the region’s leaders, including those of Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua.

Bolivian President Luis Arce also said he would not go if all countries were not invited. And leaders of Caribbean nations have discussed a collective boycott of the summit if any nations are excluded.
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volinbham said:
restoring our international reputation - or so I'm told
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Comical isn’t it?

We are essentially exporting a walking gaffe machine that can’t control his bowel movements to represent us on the national stage, all the while his administration is pushing directives such as encouraging parents to affirm their child’s desire to cut off their penis and buy breast.

So glad America is respected again 😉
 
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tvolsfan said:
I’m sure you guys are all shaking with rage at this humiliation.
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I mean who wouldn't be boiling over with rage that Cuba, Venezuela and Guatemala declined invitations to the party?

@Rasputin_Vol is looking to distract from the current administrations successful salvage and galvanization of its alliances with our NATO and EU partners. "Pay no attention to NATO growing, look Guatemala isn't going to come to a conference."
 
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Septic said:
I mean who wouldn't be boiling over with rage that Cuba, Venezuela and Guatemala declined invitations to the party?

@Rasputin_Vol is looking to distract from the current administrations successful salvage and galvanization of its alliances with our NATO and EU partners. "Pay no attention to NATO growing, look Guatemala isn't going to come to a conference."
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I don't think Biden deserves any credit for the growth of NATO. That's more a reaction to Putin's dumbass decision to invade the Ukraine. And I don't see the benefit in ignoring allies in our own hemisphere. If they want Cuba, Venezuela, and whoever else there, why would we not go along with it? FFS, it's just a summit. Not sure why we wouldn't take the opportunity for goodwill.

Ras may be totally wrong when it comes to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine, but he's not wrong that Biden is a dumbass.
 
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Weezer said:
I don't think Biden deserves any credit for the growth of NATO. That's more a reaction to Putin's dumbass decision to invade the Ukraine. And I don't see the benefit in ignoring allies in our own hemisphere. If they want Cuba, Venezuela, and whoever else there, why would we not go along with it? FFS, it's just a summit. Not sure why we wouldn't take the opportunity for goodwill.

Ras may be totally wrong when it comes to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine, but he's not wrong that Biden is a dumbass.
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You can say Biden is an idiot all you want, but not having Cuba at a conference isn't a national disgrace.
 
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Septic said:
I mean who wouldn't be boiling over with rage that Cuba, Venezuela and Guatemala declined invitations to the party?

@Rasputin_Vol is looking to distract from the current administrations successful salvage and galvanization of its alliances with our NATO and EU partners. "Pay no attention to NATO growing, look Guatemala isn't going to come to a conference."
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With all due respect Biden hasn't actually been doing much leading in regard to galvanizing NATO. He's been off base with their messaging. The only thing he controls is the purse strings, the only thing keeping him relevant there.

He's actually been one of the weaker figures in this series of events.
 
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hog88 said:
We should be having dialogue and relations with Cuba. Our Cuban policy has been a failure.
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I don't dispute that and we tried to open things up a little in Obama's administration. Trump walked it back and I guess Biden isn't reversing that. But just because the Cubans aren't at a conference, it doesn't make the US some kind of foreign policy pariah.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Yes, always. Isolationism should not be considered backwards.
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that's absurd

Just like in life, if you're doing the right thing there is no reason to care what others think. The only reason we worried about our rep is because we break things all around the globe but don't want others to point it out. If they do we'll replace them
 
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utvolpj said:
that's absurd

Just like in life, if you're doing the right thing there is no reason to care what others think. The only reason we worried about our rep is because we break things all around the globe but don't want others to point it out. If they do we'll replace them
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That's ridiculous and pretty much only works if you are a small country exclusively surrounded by friendly nations. A world where China is the new world super power is unquestionably a world where we are weaker and poorer.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I don't dispute that and we tried to open things up a little in Obama's administration. Trump walked it back and I guess Biden isn't reversing that. But just because the Cubans aren't at a conference, it doesn't make the US some kind of foreign policy pariah.
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I don't necessarily agree with Trump moving back on the opening of Cuba, but there was evidence of sonic weaponry being used against our embassy. So, there was cause there at least.

But overall, our Cuba policy has been an utter failure spanning every Administration going back to Kennedy. I look at it this way, if we can reopen relations, tourism and trade with Vietnam after what they did to our POWs, there is no reason we shouldn't have with Cuba by now.
 
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Septic said:
I mean who wouldn't be boiling over with rage that Cuba, Venezuela and Guatemala declined invitations to the party?

@Rasputin_Vol is looking to distract from the current administrations successful salvage and galvanization of its alliances with our NATO and EU partners. "Pay no attention to NATO growing, look Guatemala isn't going to come to a conference."
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You don't seem to have a firm grasp of the facts here. Cuba and Venezuela did not decline invitations. They weren't extended invitations. Read up on it a little more, then pop off
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I don't dispute that and we tried to open things up a little in Obama's administration. Trump walked it back and I guess Biden isn't reversing that. But just because the Cubans aren't at a conference, it doesn't make the US some kind of foreign policy pariah.
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Our foreign policy has been a disjointed wreck for decades.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't necessarily agree with Trump moving back on the opening of Cuba, but there was evidence of sonic weaponry being used against our embassy. So, there was cause there at least.

But overall, our Cuba policy has been an utter failure spanning every Administration going back to Kennedy. I look at it this way, if we can reopen relations, tourism and trade with Vietnam after what they did to our POWs, there is no reason we shouldn't have with Cuba by now.
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I'm not sure Trump's policy was a result of that issue, but if it was, what has changed? For all we know there could be more to that story and that's the reason Biden isn't extending any kind of olive branch. I'm not saying don't engage with them, I'm just saying I don't see this as a big deal.
 
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Septic said:
I mean who wouldn't be boiling over with rage that Cuba, Venezuela and Guatemala declined invitations to the party?

@Rasputin_Vol is looking to distract from the current administrations successful salvage and galvanization of its alliances with our NATO and EU partners. "Pay no attention to NATO growing, look Guatemala isn't going to come to a conference."
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Imagine how strong NATO could be if the members of NATO actually contributed what they said they would. Maybe Putin wouldn't feel so sporty about taunting them.
 
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