War in Ukraine

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BigOrangeTrain said:
I voted for Trump. I hated his spending habits. Get off your high horse. You voted for this so you can’t complain. That’s BS. There were many things I was unhappy with Trump. And spending was a big one. Every president spends like wildfire. Biden is just doing it a little worse by giving a corrupt country that harbors sex trafficking and big pharma our tax dollars.

I don’t want to hear about helping Ukraine. They don’t deserve our help. No country does. Especially when we have massive troubles on our own country. Massive inflation, commodity shortages, fuel prices skyrocketing. And we get to see this idiot send tens of billions of dollars because “oh poor Ukraine.” BS.
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Plus I have already explained how it can pay for itself if we have the balls. And again my position isn't to give them anything for free. Sell the arms and provide intelligence. Seize Russian government assets to pay for this. Assets we have already frozen. Not individual Russian civilian assets. The governments. Tell them to f-off and we will use their money to pay for Ukrainian defense and rebuilding what Russia broke. Not my money. Not yours. Vlads.
 
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#32,553
BigOrangeTrain said:
Yeah they have crumbled Russias economy right? Wrong. But they sure are doing a number on ours and other countries economies. It’s funny how you support these ridiculous sanctions. Funny how you are in support of the USA and a few other countries being able to police the world and impose their will on any countries economies when they feel like it.
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Oh FFS no the sanctions aren’t our primary issue. We are our own primary issue.

And I’m all for helping Russia self implode. And this is great since it happens without us risking a single military serviceman. Woohoo!
 
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volfanhill said:
It's been two months. Jesus. Is your argument that the Russian central bank, who all reports directly to Vlad, is being overly negative at home? How the heck does that even make sense to you? If they are openly projecting x percent down I would double it.
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Checks in the mail right? So am I to assume you support the world police?
 
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#32,558
volfanhill said:
Plus I have already explained how it can pay for itself if we have the balls. And again my position isn't to give them anything for free. Sell the arms and provide intelligence. Seize Russian government assets to pay for this. Assets we have already frozen. Not individual Russian civilian assets. The governments. Tell them to f-off and we will use their money to pay for Ukrainian defense and rebuilding what Russia broke. Not my money. Not yours. Vlads.
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But that’s not gonna happen. You know and I know our idiot in charge will continue to announce our money going to poor little Ukraine. So we will continue to see Biden blame everything on Russia and try and justify sending that corrupt country billions of our dollars. It’s pathetic.
 
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#32,561
BigOrangeTrain said:
Checks in the mail right? So am I to assume you support the world police?
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I do not. Have been against multiple military excursions. And I am not for us giving them money no strings attached. But if you tell me we will come out even, hit Russia in the balls bc they deserve it, strengthen nato, and break Europe Russian energy relationship then I say let's do it. Now we have to actually do what's being bantered around. If we don't recoup our money then we screwed up.
 
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Institute for the Study of War

May 18, 6:15 pm ET

Russian occupation authorities announced plans to destroy the Azovstal Steel Plant and turn Mariupol into a resort city, depriving Russia of some of the most important economic benefits it hoped to reap by taking the city in the first place. Head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Denis Pushilin stated that DNR authorities are planning to level Azovstal after completing its capture.[1] Azovstal was a major element of Mariupol’s economy before the war because of its unique function as a full-cycle metallurgical complex, the 10,000 jobs associated with production at the plant, the billions of dollars of foreign exchange earnings and taxes it generated, and its production output of 7,000 tons of steel, 6 million tons of iron, and 4.5 million tons of rolled metal, according to the Mariupol City Council.[2] Pushilin stated that the DNR intends to rebuild Mariupol to be a “resort city,” while admitting that 60% of the structures in Mariupol have been destroyed to the point where they cannot be rebuilt.[3] The announced plan to turn Mariupol into a center of tourism and leisure following the complete destruction of a major center of economic activity in Mariupol, is indicative of the damage that Russian troops have inflicted on themselves through the destruction of Mariupol. Russia does not need another resort town on the Black Sea. It does need the kind of hard currency that a plant like Azovstal had generated. This announcement epitomizes the kind of Pyrrhic victories Russian forces have won in Ukraine, to the extent that they have won victories at all.

The Kremlin may hope to offset the loss of revenues from Azovstal and other destroyed infrastructure in Ukraine by profiting from the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant that is forces have seized. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin announced that he will allocate maximum integration assistance for Zaporizhia Oblast to work in a “friendly Russian family” during his visit to Melitopol on May 18.[4] Khusnullin added that the Zaporihia Nuclear Power Plant will exclusively work for Russia and will sell electricity to Ukraine. This statement is a clear Russian recognition that there will be an independent Ukraine at the end of this war and that Russia seeks to restore its energy leverage over Ukraine and possibly the West more broadly that has been reduced by sanctions and efforts to reduce reliance on Russian energy. It also reinforces the urgency of helping Ukraine regain control of Enerhodar City and the rest of its occupied territory to forestall this renewed economic thralldom. ISW previously reported that Russian forces started digging trenches and blocking highways to Enerhodar City.[5] The Zaporizhia Oblast Military Administration reported that Russian occupation authorities continued to prepare for a referendum in Enerhodar City on May 18.[6]

Ukrainian officials reported protests in Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (DNR and LNR) over forced mobilizations on May 16-17. The Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported that relatives of the forcefully mobilized LNR servicemen demanded an immediate return of their family members from combat in Luhansk City and Rovenky approximately 50 kilometers west of Russian border.[7] The GUR noted that perceptions of war and resentment of mobilization in LNR worsened because of the high casualties Russian forces have suffered and the fact that Russian authorities are reportedly evading payments to the families of wounded and killed servicemen. Mariupol Mayor’s Advisor Petro Andryushenko had previously reported that a protest against mobilization had occurred in Donetsk City on May 16.[8]

Key Takeaways
  • Russian forces are continuing to inflict air and artillery strikes on the Azovstal Steel Plant, indicating that a remnant of Ukrainian defense is still in the plant despite evacuations over the last few days.
  • Russian occupying authorities are reportedly planning to level the Azovstal Steel Plant after completing its capture, which directly undermines the large strategic economic importance of capturing the plant.
  • Russian forces continued to prepare for an assault on Severodonetsk and intensified operations around Lyman.
  • Russian forces continued to prioritize holding positions around the Russian border to prevent further Ukrainian advances north of Kharkiv City and will likely continue to do so at the expense of deploying additional reinforcements to other axes of advance.
  • Russian troops focused on maintaining their positions on the Southern Axis and on conducting rocket, missile, and artillery strikes along the frontline.
 
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volfanhill said:
I do not. Have been against multiple military excursions. And I am not for us giving them money no strings attached. But if you tell me we will come out even, hit Russia in the balls bc they deserve it, strengthen nato, and break Europe Russian energy relationship then I say let's do it. Now we have to actually do what's being bantered around. If we don't recoup our money then we screwed up.
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Wow, strengthen NATO? Lol. Sad. Whole lotta what ifs in your scenario. For a guy who typically seems to be fairly centered, you sure seem to favor the left on this issue.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wow, strengthen NATO? Lol. Sad. Whole lotta what ifs in your scenario. For a guy who typically seems to be fairly centered, you sure seem to favor the left on this issue.
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NATO is of critical importance from a deterrence standpoint to Russia and china. Our ally's should pay more. Shared burdens. Trump was right about that IMO.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
How about the Central Bank for Russia does that count? Hill already dropped that one on you remember a few posts back?
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So Russia is a big time propaganda machine right? So we should just the “Russian Central Bank” because? Oh I guess they are the one legit source right? Lol. Some of you will believe anything as long as it reinforces your beliefs.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So Russia is a big time propaganda machine right? So we should just the “Russian Central Bank” because? Oh I guess they are the one legit source right? Lol. Some of you will believe anything as long as it reinforces your beliefs.
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Wow you’re right pure genius this is all a head fake and they’re lying their economy is just humming along. More 4d chess from Pootin. Brilliant!
 
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volfanhill said:
Not his fault. He was half through a WSJ article while on a plane. He had to stop reading, and exit the plane, when a Muslim got on. He's scared of them.
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#32,573
#32,573
BigOrangeTrain said:
So Russia is a big time propaganda machine right? So we should just the “Russian Central Bank” because? Oh I guess they are the one legit source right? Lol. Some of you will believe anything as long as it reinforces your beliefs.
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So you are of the belief, that a government that will jail you for being critical of this war and russias actions, is allowing it's own central bank to tell the populace they are screwed as a scam? You aren't making sense here man. They are preparing their populace for hard times. And it stands to reason that it will be worse then they are telling their people. You think Vlad wants to let his version of the Fed to come out, to the Russian public, and say we're screwed?
 
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