Gun control debate (merged)

[AshG]

Maybe this should go in the Police thread, but it seems applicable here as well.

 

[Grand Vol]

Except that it is not. Personally, I believe the constitution and its amendments are written in such a way as to support multiple interpretations and adaptations. I see it as part of the genius of that document.

Oh?

How should the 1st Amendment have a modern interpretation?

 

[AshG]

Oh?

How should the 1st Amendment have a modern interpretation?

It already does: that businesses are people too, and as such have protected speech. Citizens United ruling is what helped us get to our current state.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Oh?

How should the 1st Amendment have a modern interpretation?

Only in reasonable restrictions. If you are seeking whether I believe that bans on hate speech should be upheld as in other countries. Hell no. If you seek something different let me know.

 

[OHvol40]

Has any of the Nut jobs that have done this sort of thing said they used a gun because it was easier?

Guns are clearly the most easily accessible, user friendly, and most reliable way to kill multiple people for the average American. This is evidenced by the number of people who choose to go that route vs any other method. Do they have to state it?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Don't beat yourself over it. People function and process at different rates; and your rate is just as special and unique as anyone else's.

Hold on,
Didn’t you just say that changing posts should be a reason to ban someone?
You really don’t have any core convictions or ethics do you?

 

[luthervol]

Think about that ruling.
“The government can take away your rights if it’s for the greater good.” How do we define the “greater good”?

Kinda reminds me of the quote “those who sacrifice freedom for safety will have neither “. Anyone know who said that?

No one ever said that as far as I know. Maybe you're just accidently misquoting.

Since you didn't bite, I'll have to change my bait:

I assume you were referring to this actual quote????
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Notice the important differences.

 

[luthervol]

Hold on,
Didn’t you just say that changing posts should be a reason to ban someone?
You really don’t have any core convictions or ethics do you?

No I did not say that.
You're pretty horrible with quotes and the subtleties of language.

 

[utvolpj]

Maybe this should go in the Police thread, but it seems applicable here as well.

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That meme is a load of crap and used to be below you. Nice grad photo though

 

[luthervol]

That meme is a load of crap and used to be below you. Nice grad photo though

Do you think the response decisions of LEO's are color blind?

 

[Orangeslice13]

No I did not say that.
You're pretty horrible with quotes and the subtleties of language.

No personal convictions
It’s a sad life you live

 

[OrangeTsar]

Maybe this should go in the Police thread, but it seems applicable here as well.

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„Murder“ has a very definitive definition. I do not recognize all of these individuals but I am wondering how many of the ones labeled s „murdered“ actually resulted in a conviction as such

 

[C-south]

Do you think the response decisions of LEO's are color blind?

Especially when someone is firing at you, assaulting you, or trying to take your weapon. Of course there’s always the chance you could OD while being detained as well.

 

[Sandman 423]

Guns are clearly the most easily accessible, user friendly, and most reliable way to kill multiple people for the average American. This is evidenced by the number of people who choose to go that route vs any other method. Do they have to state it?

No, they are nuts, but blaming the availability and accuracy of guns is ignorant, imo.

 

[luthervol]

No personal convictions
It’s a sad life you live

I do have a personal conviction, obviously not shared by all, to quote people accurately and try to portray their positions honestly.

 

[C-south]

I do have a personal conviction, obviously not shared by all, to quote people accurately and try to portray their positions honestly.

Like the constitution?

 

[luthervol]

Like the constitution?

exactly like that.

 

[OrangeTsar]

The one thing I have never been able to get an answer about from a gun control advocate is simply this. Under what moral or legal principle is it okay to deprive me of my rights and property in response to an illegal action by someone else? Am I imprisoned if my neighbor robs a bank? If someone in the next town gets a DUI, do I have my drivers license revoked? It is the same principle. You do not get to punish me for the actions of another. It is a violation of my basic human rights and my specified constitutional right to due process.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I do have a personal conviction, obviously not shared by all, to quote people accurately and try to portray their positions honestly.

Yet you immediately engage in behavior you speak out against.
And now you lie to yourself about it.
I guess that’s what it takes for you to get through the day.
What a sad life

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don't believe we'll ever see another constitutional amendment. We'll have another civil war before we reach the point where we can see past our differences and take unified action to promote the general welfare.

Or….maybe the idea isn’t generally accepted enough to warrant a amendment.

 

[Grand Vol]

Only in reasonable restrictions. If you are seeking whether I believe that bans on hate speech should be upheld as in other countries. Hell no. If you seek something different let me know.

And you realize the "reasonable restrictions" are far more of a slippery slope than an outright ban, correct? Because when you make something ambiguous, politicians will take a lot of latitude with the meaning.

 

[Sandman 423]

Maybe this should go in the Police thread, but it seems applicable here as well.

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What is applicable about it?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Only in reasonable restrictions. If you are seeking whether I believe that bans on hate speech should be upheld as in other countries. Hell no. If you seek something different let me know.

I believe maybe we are finally in agreement on something. I m percent in favour of banning hate speech (provided of course i m the one in charge of deciding what is and isn’t hate speech). You ok with that?

 

[AshG]

Or….maybe the idea isn’t generally accepted enough to warrant a amendment.

Almost 60% of Americans (according to multiple polls by multiple companies) feel that first trimester abortions are permissible, especially in cases of rape or incest. Our Party Lordship system combined with gerrymandered political representation dampens their voice and gives extra representation to a very vocal and restrictive minority.

 

[AshG]

That meme is a load of crap and used to be below you. Nice grad photo though

I'm trying a little something different. If it doesn't work, I'll revert.