War in Ukraine

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Orangeburst said:
I admire the former Eastern Bloc nations more than I ever would Western Europe.
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Western Europe he only went soft in the last few decades. It was once the backbone of Western Civilization and the cradle of both the scientific revolution s well as the enlightenment
 
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OrangeTsar said:
But teacher, Joey started it 😭
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If you are going to go back hundreds of years to justify Poland's anger towards Russia, then why is it out of line for me to highlight the opposite end and who actually has the original grievance?

Can't use whataboutism on this, so now what?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If you are going to go back hundreds of years to justify Poland's anger towards Russia, then why is it out of line for me to highlight the opposite end and who actually has the original grievance?

Can't use whataboutism on this, so now what?
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I don't think we need to go back further than the 80s to see Polands justification for hating the Russians.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't think we need to go back further than the 80s to see Polands justification for hating the Russians.
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That would be justified. But let's run with that... If the 1980s are the issue, then have they done any kind of protest like this between then and now at this cemetery? Or is this something that is happening right now for some reason?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That would be justified. But let's run with that... If the 1980s are the issue, then have they done any kind of protest like this between then and now at this cemetery? Or is this something that is happening right now for some reason?
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I have no idea, I would be surprised if there wasn't some anti-Russian protests during the 90s. But with Russia's recent aggression towards a former client-state you have to understand the renewed hatred.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I am saying that the Poles have several centuries of pent up grievances against Russia all the way back to the Tsars (just like they do gibt the Prussians/Germans). It will take many many generations to change that. Invading Ukraine set back any future rapprochement between Poland and Russia several more decades. It was NOT the way to make friends with the Poles
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Meanwhile, if we are going back centuries, you have the Poles, Napoleon and the Germans 2Xs in the 20th Century attacking Russia through the exact same path way through the European plain that runs through Ukraine.

And yet, Russia doesn't have legitimate security concerns. Even if you all remove Putin, no Russian leader is going to allow that region to be a superhighway for an advancing army (or military alliance) and certainly won't stand for it in the age of nukes.
 
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hog88 said:
I have no idea, I would be surprised if there wasn't some anti-Russian protests during the 90s. But with Russia's recent aggression towards a former client-state you have to understand the renewed hatred.
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here is what I think. There may have been some animosity since the fall of the Soviet Union. But these people have gotten worked into a frenzy because of the gaslighting and media propaganda around this entire Ukraine event. And the Polish leadership is using this to prepare the people for a move into Western Ukraine.

Now, since you clowns want to be history buffs and go back to the days of the tsars, go look at a map of Poland form 100 years ago and talk to me.

Europe In 1923
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Meanwhile, if we are going back centuries, you have the Poles, Napoleon and the Germans 2Xs in the 20th Century attacking Russia through the exact same path way through the European plain that runs through Ukraine.

And yet, Russia doesn't have legitimate security concerns. Even if you all remove Putin, no Russian leader is going to allow that region to be a superhighway for an advancing army (or military alliance) and certainly won't stand for it in the age of nukes.
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The West will not remove Putin. If he is removed it will be by his own people.
 
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Orangeburst said:
What officer leads a platoon, a Lieutenant? That would be low grade and not so sensational of some higher command as maybe "sensationalized" purported.
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I'm curious what kind of orders were supposedly refused. Was it because of fear of a fight or a refusal to bomb a school?
 
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USF grad in TN said:
I'm curious what kind of orders were supposedly refused. Was it because of fear of a fight or a refusal to bomb a school?
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Sorry, but fog of war and propaganda have been around since well forever.
Hope the US official is correct but if higher level brass is taking such action, it would be a game changer. I will wait.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Meanwhile, if we are going back centuries, you have the Poles, Napoleon and the Germans 2Xs in the 20th Century attacking Russia through the exact same path way through the European plain that runs through Ukraine.

And yet, Russia doesn't have legitimate security concerns. Even if you all remove Putin, no Russian leader is going to allow that region to be a superhighway for an advancing army (or military alliance) and certainly won't stand for it in the age of nukes.
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You forgot the Swedes. You don’t get to forget the Swedes. Charles XII was one of history’s most amazing military bad a##es
 
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