War in Ukraine

[tvolsfan]

Russia was hit with sanctions and media outrage in 2014 and the West responded with weapons shipments to Ukraine.

Russia was hit with sanctions and media outrage after this event and the West responded with weapons shipments to Ukraine.

WTF is different?

Which one of us is living in a fantasy world?

The overwhelming majority of the sanctions/outrage was for the invasion of Crimea. The supplying rebels stuff was always received far less criticism by comparison, except when the rebels shot down the Malyasian plane.

Are you having trouble keeping your interventions in Ukraine straight?

 

[Rickyvol77]

I wonder how someone that can take the stance you do on the government handling of COVID will turn around and accept another story unquestioningly from the same sources. Liars lie. It's always reasonable to think and question.

It’s not “unquestioningly”. I know how the MSM media can be. But just because they are wrong or have an agenda about one thing doesn’t mean another lie from Russia is true or that the MSM isn’t right about stuff as well.

I know we went to the moon in 1969. There are some people who think we didn’t and that everyone is lying about it. Just because some fringe lunatics think this doesn’t mean their sources or “proof” is true

 

[NorthDallas40]

Of course the election happened. I'm not saying that election didn't happen. The results of that election are not even a topic of discussion.

The topic is the US lead overthrow that happened 5 years before that.

Who voted to remove Yanukovych in 2014? There was a specific vote by a specific body which was empowered by the Ukrainian Constitution to hold such a vote and execute the outcome of that vote?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Russia was hit with sanctions and media outrage in 2014 and the West responded with weapons shipments to Ukraine.

Russia was hit with sanctions and media outrage after this event and the West responded with weapons shipments to Ukraine.

WTF is different?

Which one of us is living in a fantasy world?

I’m still waiting for the excuse as to why the Ukrainian people overwhelmingly voting for Zelensky in a fair election of 19 million less than 2 years ago isnt legitimate

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So that is supposed to prove the US government was behind the plot and planned it?

You really are not bright, are you? How many hijackers were Saudi nationals? Curiously, why were the family members of Bin Laden gathered up around the country and escorted back to KSA within the days following the attack? Why do we have an ally of this country having its intelligence agency involved in this, yet we are supposed to expect that the US intelligence agencies were clueless about this?

To be clear, you are the one that brought up 9/11 in this Ukraine conversation, not me.

 

[ButchPlz]

It’s not “unquestioningly”. I know how the MSM media can be. But just because they are wrong or have an agenda about one thing doesn’t mean another lie from Russia is true or that the MSM isn’t right about stuff as well.

I know we went to the moon in 1969. There are some people who think we didn’t and that everyone is lying about it. Just because some fringe lunatics think this doesn’t mean their sources or “proof” is true

But how do you "know"? I'm not arguing that point, I just wonder how you can essentially say "all Russia says is wrong" because they have biases, but then accept things from our own (or Ukraine's) government who also have very strong biases and have also repeatedly been proven as liars at the best of times.

It's not subjecting oneself to propaganda to expose oneself to all sources, and literally none of us know even a fraction of the truth of what's going on in Ukraine. To so vehemently discount someone who is presenting alternatives is silly. This is precisely why I dreamed that the US would totally stay out of this purely European conflict because all it is for us is a drain on our tax dollars for the benefit of the American political elite.

 

[Velo Vol]

Sing along, @Rasputin_Vol!

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Who voted to remove Yanukovych in 2014? There was a specific vote by a specific body which was empowered by the Ukrainian Constitution to hold such a vote and execute the outcome of that vote?

To answer that question, look at what we just saw happen in Pakistan a few weeks ago. Coincidentally (or actually not coincidentally), where was that guy on February 24th of this year and what was he doing?

Pakistan’s leader is in Moscow to meet with Putin about a gas pipeline.

 

[Rickyvol77]

You really are not bright, are you? How many hijackers were Saudi nationals? Curiously, why were the family members of Bin Laden gathered up around the country and escorted back to KSA within the days following the attack? Why do we have an ally of this country having its intelligence agency involved in this, yet we are supposed to expect that the US intelligence agencies were clueless about this?

To be clear, you are the one that brought up 9/11 in this Ukraine conversation, not me.

Because they felt they would be killed? Why do I care if family members that didn’t have anything to do with 9/11 left the country? That’s not a conspiracy

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’m still waiting for the excuse as to why the Ukrainian people overwhelmingly voting for Zelensky in a fair election of 19 million less than 2 years ago isnt legitimate

If you had any level of common sense, you would understand why 3elensky getting elected AFTER the 2014 coup is of no surprise.

I will give you one hint, however. Look at the election map of 2010 when Yanukovich was elected.

 

[NorthDallas40]

To answer that question, look at what we just saw happen in Pakistan a few weeks ago. Coincidentally (or actually not coincidentally), where was that guy on February 24th of this year and what was he doing?

Pakistan’s leader is in Moscow to meet with Putin about a gas pipeline.

Butwhatabout…

More stupid ass deflection by you. The fact is Ukraine’s parliament, while empowered by the Ukraine constitution to remove the president by a formal impeachment process, didn’t actually follow the proscribed process and held an abrupt vote. That was actually a tactical error on their part. However in the vote they had literally no one voted against removing Yanukovych. There were over 320 for removal, several present didn’t vote, and around a hundred weren’t present.

But you didn’t even make the easy attack in the process Moe, they didn’t actually follow their Constitution protocols. You HAD to make a deflection play because you can’t help yourself

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

But how do you "know"? I'm not arguing that point, I just wonder how you can essentially say "all Russia says is wrong" because they have biases, but then accept things from our own (or Ukraine's) government who also have very strong biases and have also repeatedly been proven as liars at the best of times.

It's not subjecting oneself to propaganda to expose oneself to all sources, and literally none of us know even a fraction of the truth of what's going on in Ukraine. To so vehemently discount someone who is presenting alternatives is silly. This is precisely why I dreamed that the US would totally stay out of this purely European conflict because all it is for us is a drain on our tax dollars for the benefit of the American political elite.

You are missing the point. It has nothing to do with the facts. It is a combination of lingering disdain for Russia from the Cold War and the fact that certain individuals in here (myself and others) are countering the mainstream narrative. He is that petty.

 

[Rickyvol77]

If you had any level of common sense, you would understand why 3elensky getting elected AFTER the 2014 coup is of no surprise.

I will give you one hint, however. Look at the election map of 2010 when Yanukovich was elected.

Ok? And below is the map in 2019 complete with results.

2019 Ukrainian presidential election - Wikipedia

The Ukrainian people were pretty overwhelmingly clear in their choice. In 2019

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Butwhatabout…

More stupid ass deflection by you. The fact is Ukraine’s parliament, while empowered by the Ukraine constitution to remove the president by a formal impeachment process, didn’t actually follow the proscribed process and held an abrupt vote. That was actually a tactical error on their part. However in the vote they had literally no one voted against removing Yanukovych. There were over 320 for removal, several present didn’t vote, and around a hundred weren’t present.

But you didn’t even make the easy attack in the process Moe, they didn’t actually follow their Constitution protocols. You HAD to make a deflection play because you can’t help yourself

Not sure what you are gloating about. Read what you just posted, keeping in mind that this was after Yanukovich was rushed out of the country, and tell me that is any better or worse.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ok? And below is the map in 2019 complete with results.

2019 Ukrainian presidential election - Wikipedia

The Ukrainian people were pretty overwhelmingly clear in their choice. In 2019

Yeah, genius. What is different about those 2 maps?

 

[Rickyvol77]

You are missing the point. It has nothing to do with the facts. It is a combination of lingering disdain for Russia from the Cold War and the fact that certain individuals in here (myself and others) are countering the mainstream narrative. He is that petty.

“Putin deserves a nobel peace prize”
“Ukraine is ran by neo Nazis”
“Nurses, doctors and hospital admin need to be shot like rabid dogs”
“I’m 70% sure 9/11 was a false flag operation”
“Timothy McViegh was right about a lot of things”
“Police are going to storm your houses, take your guns and force you to get vaccinated”
“The US will use Chemical/biological weapons and blame the Russians”

You. Are. A. Nut. Job. You aren’t “countering” anything but common sense and facts. You will continue to go down being Anti US, anti West, pro Russian mouthpiece and that’s fine. But you are on the fringe of society thank God. It’s not petty, I honestly don’t know whether to laugh or cry for you

 

[ButchPlz]

You are missing the point. It has nothing to do with the facts. It is a combination of lingering disdain for Russia from the Cold War and the fact that certain individuals in here (myself and others) are countering the mainstream narrative. He is that petty.

I think a lot of it is simply brutish chest thumping around the US military and war in general, without realizing that the US military is just the same broken government as everywhere else with guns and egos.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Not sure what you are gloating about. Read what you just posted, keeping in mind that this was after Yanukovich was rushed out of the country, and tell me that is any better or worse.

I’m gloating about the fact that you can’t get out of your own whataboutism way and make a logical cogent argument in justifying Pootin’s invasion of Ukraine, Moe. You don’t have the metal faculties to make anything other than a deflection argument on this topic. Now try to save the day and prove that Pootin was empowered to act on the Ukrainian parliament’s protocol faux pax … after another constitutionally valid election occurred in 2019 putting Zelenskyy in office.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You are missing the point. It has nothing to do with the facts. It is a combination of lingering disdain for Russia from the Cold War and the fact that certain individuals in here (myself and others) are countering the mainstream narrative. He is that petty.

You aren’t “countering” jack ****.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’m gloating about the fact that you can’t get out of your own whataboutism way and make a logical cogent argument in justifying Pootin’s invasion of Ukraine, Moe. You don’t have the metal faculties to make anything other than a deflection argument on this topic. Now try to save the day and prove that Pootin was empowered to act on the Ukrainian parliament’s protocol faux pax … after another constitutionally valid election occurred in 2019 putting Zelenskyy in office.

Again, anything that happened after Yanukovich was rushed away was illegitimate. If you want to nitpick about parliamentary procedures that happened after that, have at it. It doesn't really have any consequence to what happened before that.

I'm really not sure what you are trying to say with regards to Putin being empowered to do something based on the actions of parliament. It was pretty obvious by then that Ukraine was a captured state and a puppet of the US.

 

[volbound1700]

We. Regime. Changed. Ukraine.

Proof?

 

[Hunerwadel]

Not Ras, but it chaps my ass. How dare a company put a donation on your bill. If I or anyone else wants to donate to something, we can do that if we want. This is just as bad as Walmart or other stores asking you to donate to something, then they hold the donations until the end of the year, and then they donate in their name to get a tax write off. F all of those business that do that!!!

I agree. No way should they add a donation without asking. I have tried to find confirmation that this actually happening the way it is being reported here. I found only one other article about it. It was in a Texas newspaper but couldn't read it without signing up. I don't mind being asked donate to something. I can always sa no.

 

[tvolsfan]

You aren’t “countering” jack ****.

It would be one thing if it was just the American vs Russian narratives and everyone else was somewhere in between.

But when the Canadians, Irish, Swiss, Finns, and Swedes are all calling you a piece of ****, you're probably a piece of ****.

 

[tvolsfan]

Proof?

Asking for proof is Russophobia.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Proof?