I Surrender

[OneManGang]

I want to say at the outset that this is not a complaint about fairness. this isn't about winning or losing. This isn't about thinking that my school is now at an advantage or disadvantage.

I foresee a future where sometimes they're on top and sometimes they're not. And I'm ok with that. That's the way it's always been.

But, this NIL stuff. I surrender. The joy I had watching college football.....and I will still watch.....and I will still cheer......I'm not going to be one of those people who says they're through and you know damn well they're still watching. I'll be watching.

But, it's never going to be the same. And it sucks. It truly does.

It will not bring me the same level of joy it once did.

But, as you follow recruiting and the portal, it is utter madness. And one can say it's always been the case with recruits and money, but that's hogwash. It's never been close to this.

You've got portal numbers of anywhere from 10-20 players and recruiting classes of 20-25. Half the roster will be at the school for a year. You can't even get excited about recruiting because no one knows if the player is willing to wait two years to see the field.

It will never, ever be the same. Everyone will adapt because that's what you have to do to survive.

But, this isn't good.

I feel your pain.

I still think this whole transfer portal/NIL thing is going to end in a giant scandal.

The thing that REALLY bothers me is the rise of the sports betting sites and their influence on games. Yes, I know, there has been sports betting since Og bet Ug a turnip that he could run to the tree and back without getting caught by a lion. It's that the guys running these sites (the REAL controlling interests - NOT the ones they parade in public) didn't get where they are by rescuing kittens and building hospitals in 3rd world countries. I've said before though, that I come from a generation that remembers when if you used the words "bet" and "NFL" in the same sentence, Pete Rozell would be in your living room asking questions.

 

[WestTennesseeVol]

That might have been "your" original point, but the OP's original point (that you replied to) was clearly that the combination of NIL "and" the transfer portal are game changers. He tried to point that out to you multiple times but you refused to acknowledge his point and kept claiming that nothing has changed, while continuing to ignore half of his post.

I'll just leave this here...

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt as to whether you have reading comprehension issues, or you just like to argue and simply can't admit when you're mistaken. That doubt has been removed... I hope you have a good night.

You took everything I said out of context and strung it together to fit your point of view.

But I get it, I’ll throw you a bone and tell you you’re right, you seem like you could use the win.

 

[SamRebel35]

NIL alone isn't the problem. The "no limit" transfer portal is bad news, though. Then the potential for tampering with NIL offers compounds the transfer portal issue.

 

[UTblood4life]

So does it mean we get our McDonalds bags back, and drop the ncaa pending b.s. Lol

 

[utvolpj]

NIL alone isn't the problem. The "no limit" transfer portal is bad news, though. Then the potential for tampering with NIL offers compounds the transfer portal issue.

They're limited to one transfer. These coaches are well paid, professional salesmen and it may take a while for a kids to see thru that. Punishing them for that isn't fair

 

[LordVOLdemort]

I want to say at the outset that this is not a complaint about fairness. this isn't about winning or losing. This isn't about thinking that my school is now at an advantage or disadvantage.

I foresee a future where sometimes they're on top and sometimes they're not. And I'm ok with that. That's the way it's always been.

But, this NIL stuff. I surrender. The joy I had watching college football.....and I will still watch.....and I will still cheer......I'm not going to be one of those people who says they're through and you know damn well they're still watching. I'll be watching.

But, it's never going to be the same. And it sucks. It truly does.

It will not bring me the same level of joy it once did.

But, as you follow recruiting and the portal, it is utter madness. And one can say it's always been the case with recruits and money, but that's hogwash. It's never been close to this.

You've got portal numbers of anywhere from 10-20 players and recruiting classes of 20-25. Half the roster will be at the school for a year. You can't even get excited about recruiting because no one knows if the player is willing to wait two years to see the field.

It will never, ever be the same. Everyone will adapt because that's what you have to do to survive.

But, this isn't good.

Got my hopes up, 99. I thought you were finally going to come out of the closet and admit you’re a Vol fan and you were leaving the gators behind.

 

[WestTennesseeVol]

They're limited to one transfer. These coaches are well paid, professional salesmen and it may take a while for a kids to see thru that. Punishing them for that isn't fair

No didn’t you hear, players are going to walk off the field in the middle of the game to go play for the other team.

 

[LordBolton]

Hard to agree with any Gator, but the magic is gone now. You can't follow anyone's career and marvel as they develop, or speculate on who will step up next year. Now your favorite mercenary might be gone next week. Even free agents in the No Fun League have to fulfill their contracts first, and wait till the season is over to switch teams. Only a matter of time before a highly productive starter is there one week, then gone the next midseason to a team that got him a bigger NIL deal. Stupid system.

 

[Volintheswamp]

I know we all like to see the Gators lose, but take it easy on our Gator guests. Having lived in the northeast corner of the swamp for the last 25 years they really are good people 364 days of the year.

 

[utvolpj]

I know we all like to see the Gators lose, but take it easy on our Gator guests. Having lived in the northeast corner of the swamp for the last 25 years they really are good people 364 days of the year.

This one is trying to take a dump on anything positive happening at UT. He sucks like the rest of their fans

 

[Doberman]

NIL is here. I don’t like change, but fine.

The portal is here, fine. Not a big fan of it either, but understand not penalizing a kid for getting to a better situation.

There needs to be a window for transfers, however, IMO. Jan 1st through March 1st. That’s 60 days to make a move, and by spring practice, rosters are set.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

The most disappointing thing to me with NIL is that when the idea was first introduced, it was pitched as a way for athletes to make money from local businesses by providing some kind of service to those business through putting their names or images on merchandise to sell, to make personal appearances, radio and television ads, etc. The athletes would be paid for SERVICES RENDERED and I was all for that. However it went from that to huge bidding wars over players before they even took a snap or enrolled in a class and getting paid huge amounts of money for simply agreeing to come play football in about the blink of an eye. Without any kind of documented regulation on the books, it took THAT long for the idea to be totally corrupted.

 

[YankeeVol]

Sorry Tennessee is better at NIL than Florida.

Wait, no I'm not. F*** Florida

 

[Volintheswamp]

I think there will eventually be a per athlete cap and then the money will be spread out to other athletes and other sports. I mean it’s senseless to give one kid a 7 digit income, then he comes in and gets beat out by a walk-on who is living on couch change. Hypothetically of course.

 

[OrangeVolMan]

I don’t agree with Gator on much but I do on this. I won’t argue that some players were not getting some money but not to this level. No one was getting $1,000,000 or more. Also it had not been this easy to transfer. You couldn’t say, I want more money or I’m leaving. College football is changing and not for the better. Some people want to act like the players were getting nothing for playing football and we all know that is not true. They were getting a free eduction, best food program around, free tutoring, free room and free healthcare. The poorer kids could also get Pell grant money. All of this could add up to $100,000s.
The changes are not good for college football. It will now become a total minor league system for NFL. Players will not be representing a school but instead looking for the most money.

 

[volinSmyrna]

NIL is here. I don’t like change, but fine.

The portal is here, fine. Not a big fan of it either, but understand not penalizing a kid for getting to a better situation.

There needs to be a window for transfers, however, IMO. Jan 1st through March 1st. That’s 60 days to make a move, and by spring practice, rosters are set.

This right here!!! NIL is here, and it should be. I have no problem with players getting a piece of the pie. The Portal added onto it is what makes this absolutely insane. There needs to be a very small window to make the move...maybe the day after signing day +30-45 days. If you want out, that's when. This gives you plenty of time to feel out any "new" coaches and analyze your spot in the pecking order on the roster. No more bailing in the Summer or especially in the Fall. If you've been at your school for 3+ years, you transfer as a grad transfer only. If you've been there for 3 years, it can't be all bad. You have 2 seasons to realize it's not a fit, or you stay. If you graduate and have eligibility left, you have fulfilled your purpose as a student-athlete and can go anywhere you want to. That's just my meaningless opinion.

 

[miket4god]

The Biletnikoff winner was never a free agent on the open market going to the highest bidder. That's never happened.

That player may have been given a bag by who signed him, been given a bag by boosters taking care of him while in school, and was receiving a bag from a future sports agent.

But, that player being on the open market. Never

Combination of the NIL and the one time free transfer rule.

 

[jarnol32]

SMU was a few decades too early.

SMU just got caught. Alabama was doing it back then too.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I want to say at the outset that this is not a complaint about fairness. this isn't about winning or losing. This isn't about thinking that my school is now at an advantage or disadvantage.
I foresee a future where sometimes they're on top and sometimes they're not. And I'm ok with that. That's the way it's always been.

But, this NIL stuff. I surrender. The joy I had watching college football.....and I will still watch.....and I will still cheer......I'm not going to be one of those people who says they're through and you know damn well they're still watching. I'll be watching.
But, it's never going to be the same. And it sucks. It truly does.
It will not bring me the same level of joy it once did.
But, as you follow recruiting and the portal, it is utter madness. And one can say it's always been the case with recruits and money, but that's hogwash. It's never been close to this.
You've got portal numbers of anywhere from 10-20 players and recruiting classes of 20-25. Half the roster will be at the school for a year. You can't even get excited about recruiting because no one knows if the player is willing to wait two years to see the field.
It will never, ever be the same. Everyone will adapt because that's what you have to do to survive.
But, this isn't good.

Welcome to capitalism (AKA: greed) American style. Yet, nobody calls capitalism by its real name, uh-uh, but some folks know it nonetheless. The usual beneficiaries really hate it when it reaches a point resembling any pretext of fair play. Call it what it is, and long live the NIL despite protests by the privileged.

When 1% has as much as 99
It's more clever dictatorship than democracy
It has promoted enough ignorance
To convince us all that we are free

It's socialism for the rich
And capitalism for the poor
This is no democracy
Is this what you voted for?

Long as people are apathetic or diverted
The powerful can do as they please
Consumerism, sports, fear and hatred
Are enough to keep is forever on our knees

It's socialism for the rich
And capitalism for the poor
This is just corporatism
Not to mention permanent war
It's socialism for the rich
And capitalism for the poor
Environmental destruction
We cannot take anymore

 

[LAVol1]

I agree it’s a little out of hand. But if a school is making NIL deals without some stipulation of staying at that school in order to continue receiving payments, they’re doing it wrong.

Doesn't stop a player from leaving for a better deal. Unless there are penalty clauses in the NIL contracts that would make transfers too costly for the transferring player, a player who exceeds expectations will enter the portal for financial leverage. He'll test the market for his services and the team that has him will have to pony up or lose him to another school. I would bet the NIL contracts are pretty tight, making transfers too costly for the player, unless they were designed by Mike Hamilton.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I no longer know who is on the team. IDK who I'm root'n for. Who's gonna be here when the season starts? Who will be playing when it ends? IDK. UT is going to come out a winner in all this, but most smaller funded schools will have to start a separate league to play tbh. Eventually a COMMISH of college ball will be appointed.

 

[LAVol1]

Welcome to capitalism (AKA: greed)

Capitalism does not = greed. That's an invalid argument. Capitalism = freedom. Freedom to pursue a better life, as opposed to socialism/communism which stifles innovation, does not reward effort and accomplishment, and only rewards those who contribute nothing to society. I have numerous friends who grew up like me, lower middle class, poor by today's standards. All worked hard, achieved, and were rewarded for their hard work. They are now multi-millionaires. They are generous with their time and money. They have helped far more people than the government has with the same amount of money. Bigger government is not the answer--it's the problem.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Thought just hit me.... imagine if you are on a team going through spring, getting into a daily script... and you don't know if the guy next to you will be here in a few weeks. Wow.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

I want to say at the outset that this is not a complaint about fairness. this isn't about winning or losing. This isn't about thinking that my school is now at an advantage or disadvantage.

I foresee a future where sometimes they're on top and sometimes they're not. And I'm ok with that. That's the way it's always been.

But, this NIL stuff. I surrender. The joy I had watching college football.....and I will still watch.....and I will still cheer......I'm not going to be one of those people who says they're through and you know damn well they're still watching. I'll be watching.

But, it's never going to be the same. And it sucks. It truly does.

It will not bring me the same level of joy it once did.

But, as you follow recruiting and the portal, it is utter madness. And one can say it's always been the case with recruits and money, but that's hogwash. It's never been close to this.

You've got portal numbers of anywhere from 10-20 players and recruiting classes of 20-25. Half the roster will be at the school for a year. You can't even get excited about recruiting because no one knows if the player is willing to wait two years to see the field.

It will never, ever be the same. Everyone will adapt because that's what you have to do to survive.

But, this isn't good.

The cat’s been out of the bag a long time, and I don’t even mean paying players under the table, I mean the commercialization of college football. NIL and effective free agency isn’t a problem, it’s a symptom and a logical conclusion of the sport becoming a multi-billion dollar industry. You can be frustrated at NIL or colleges bidding for players, but your ire should ultimately be directed at television and the conferences.

 

[kell7517]

I think that players with NIL
Money should have to pay for their tuition as well. Why not? They already get special privileges as athletes. So even the playing field. For all students.