War in Ukraine

[volgr]

“We” aren’t with regards to direct combat. That individual citizen obviously was. Keep selling it Larry

Right, that is the only thing you can repeat at this point...because we are involved in every other way possible, EXCEPT ordered boots on the ground. The dishonesty and justification by most of the Ukr supporters in this thread is laughable.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Right, that is the only thing you can repeat at this point...because we are involved in every other way possible, EXCEPT ordered boots on the ground. The dishonesty and justification by most of the Ukr supporters in this thread is laughable.

Oh I’m not being dishonest. I’m stating it loudly. Yes we are involved in providing lethal aid to Ukraine exactly as we said we would while economically sanctioning Pootin like we said we would if he invaded. Which he did.

To see dishonesty in representing this situation you merely need to go find a mirror Larry

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You didn’t address any sanctions other than to claim they won’t be effective.

What else is there to say about the sanctions? They have shown to be ineffective.

They aren’t “unwinding” anything they still have ridiculous controls on their stock market and currency in a futile attempt to prop up their currency. I’m not saying they should remove them I’m saying they are futile for the end game.

They opened their stock market back up, their just keeping the limits on foreigners for the time. That isn't a big deal. Not sure when that particular action will be lifted, but it isn't a show stopper for them at the moment. And they haven't done much fiscally other than raised their rates initially and then lowered them a few days ago. Again, I mentioned this... what more do you want me to say about that?

Just because I don't find the things you mentioned as a big deal, that doesn't still mean that the Russians are gradually pulling back from these initial actions. And why are you harping on foreigners being able to invest in Russian markets? I thought "the rest of the world" was sanctioning Russia anyways? They should have any foreign buyers anyways if the narrative is correct, nor should you concern yourself with that or asking why they are not allowing them in.

More shilling on their currency. It’s artificially propped up by the controls referenced above.

Could you explain specifically what they are doing to "prop up" their currency?

LMAO countries and companies are unwinding their business dealings with Russia. Yes they will have a rocky couple of quarters while they adjust. And then Russia will be isolated. Their economy will be in full sprint… into oblivion.

WTF do you base this on? Or is this wishful thinking? They have all of the commodities that the world needs. Just because the Europeans are moving away from Russia, that doesn't mean it is a wise decision, nor does it mean that the rest of the world is following the Europeans lead.

Russia is in the beginnings of its death throws. It remains to be seen what will emerge in the next version of Russia or if it will be welcomed back by the rest of the world.

We should all hope that Putin lives as long as possible, because we don't need Dmitry Medvedev stepping in or the communist party to gain a foothold.

 

[volgr]

Two from the top of my head:

Forcing international exchanges in Rubbles in violation of prior agreements stating other currencies. This forces the world to apply some value because nobody trust’s Russia’s FIAT assurance. This also violates the terms of the contracts but we know how Pootin’s Russia views documents they sign.

Preventing foreigners from selling their equities on the Russian stock market to delay a collapse of that market.

Russia is basically frozen out of the dollar, so receiving a useless currency for their goods would be idiotic. I would say the violation of contract occurred when Russia was frozen out of the currency stipulated in the contract. As for preventing foreigners from selling their equities, that is a smart move considering how other Countries have moved on Russian assets. I wouldn't say that move is "propping up their market" as their market is stable and their currency is strong and thus they would likely survive such a selloff of foreign held equities but why risk it until a fuller picture is known?

 

[LouderVol]

Interesting, but some here will say "we aren't too involved"...

Indeed. Let's see the contract. You are so quick to blame us when you dont even know the details.

And last time I checked no one gives a darn about mercs.

 

[volgr]

Oh I’m not being dishonest.

Well, then you are ignorant. Take your pick.

 

[NorthDallas40]

blah blah blah.

We are watching the destruction of Pootin’s Russia in real time and there is no amount of water carrying you can manage to try and prevent it. They are toast. And to watch you continue to act like this is just a minor bump in the road is hilarious. But… it’s your goto move in stating how solid Russia’s economy is just like whataboutism is on anyone pointing to your man crush’s large number of failings Moe.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Indeed. Let's see the contract. You are so quick to blame us when you dont even know the details.

And last time I checked no one gives a darn about mercs.

He basically worked for a Black Water type of company.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Well, then you are ignorant. Take your pick.

Once again take the sound bite and ignore the message Larry. Talk about ignorant

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Two from the top of my head:

Forcing international exchanges in Rubbles in violation of prior agreements stating other currencies. This forces the world to apply some value because nobody trust’s Russia’s FIAT assurance. This also violates the terms of the contracts but we know how Pootin’s Russia views documents they sign.

Preventing foreigners from selling their equities on the Russian stock market to delay a collapse of that market.

Why is it unreasonable or gimmicky for a country to ask to be paid in its own currency for their own products and commodities? Are you really so brainwashed to think that a basic economic principle like that is a dangerous or crooked scheme?

And after the US and Canada have shown that they are going after private property just based on ideology (Canadian truckers) or nationality (Russian oligarch property), can anyone trust The West?

Lastly, the sanctions created a force majeure event where the contracts became null and void anyways because they disallowed the Russians to repay their debts. They blocked them from paying and confiscated half of their foreign reserves.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Russia is basically frozen out of the dollar, so receiving a useless currency for their goods would be idiotic. I would say the violation of contract occurred when Russia was frozen out of the currency stipulated in the contract. As for preventing foreigners from selling their equities, that is a smart move considering how other Countries have moved on Russian assets. I wouldn't say that move is "propping up their market" as their market is stable and their currency is strong and thus they would likely survive such a selloff of foreign held equities but why risk it until a fuller picture is known?

It’s only useless to Russia. Just like their Rubble will be eventually. They are headed back to a bartering economy.

And of course you would say rigging market transactions isn’t propping up their market Larry. You’re a stooge

 

[Septic]

Yeah, thousands of service men along with other innocent collaterals would be alive today and Russia would control LESS territory then they will when the war is over. Not to mention the many unintended consequences not only for our own economy but economies around the world who depend on Ukraine/Russian resources.

Another one of Septic's moronic posts.

You HAVE to know that I wear your assessment of my intelligence like a badge of honor.

Your victim blaming argument and faux outrage over the collateral damage to the economies of the world would be hilarious if it weren't so mind numbingly hollow.

Like I said, your lack of self awareness is what's most amusing about you.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Oh I’m not being dishonest. I’m stating it loudly. Yes we are involved in providing lethal aid to Ukraine exactly as we said we would while economically sanctioning Pootin like we said we would if he invaded. Which he did.

To see dishonesty in representing this situation you merely need to go find a mirror Larry

Isn't that a technical/legalese way of saying we really are not involved just to avoid the appearance of a direct fight between the US and Russia?

Why not just go all the way instead of these half-measure or puzzyfooting around?

Not that I want that, but just curious of what the reasoning could be for openly supporting sending arms and materials, but not sending in troops.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Why is it unreasonable or gimmicky for a country to ask to be paid in its own currency for their own products and commodities? Are you really so brainwashed to think that a basic economic principle like that is a dangerous or crooked scheme?

And after the US and Canada have shown that they are going after private property just based on ideology (Canadian truckers) or nationality (Russian oligarch property), can anyone trust The West?

Lastly, the sanctions created a force majeure event where the contracts became null and void anyways because they disallowed the Russians to repay their debts. They blocked them from paying and confiscated half of their foreign reserves.

First off they agreed via contract to be paid in other currency. But we know how Putin views contracts

Butwhatabout…

Isn’t it great how you can rationalize how Pootin just tosses contracts and agreements out on a whim for expediency Moe? I mean I guess you have to because that’s the only way you can continue to defend his actions.

 

[volgr]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Isn't that a technical/legalese way of saying we really are not involved just to avoid the appearance of a direct fight between the US and Russia?

Why not just go all the way instead of these half-measure or puzzyfooting around?

Not that I want that, but just curious of what the reasoning could be for openly supporting sending arms and materials, but not sending in troops.

No it isn’t. WE are not as in our government.

Because that would put NATO in direct conflict with Russia. It might come to that eventually but not based on individual citizens making their own choices and getting killed.

Because we agreed to it in the Budapest Agreement. We specifically avoided the term “guarantees” which would commit combat forces and used the term “assurances” which everyone involved acknowledge included lethal aid. And there is no way in hell you will ever acknowledge that Moe

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

We are watching the destruction of Pootin’s Russia in real time and there is no amount of water carrying you can manage to try and prevent it. They are toast. And to watch you continue to act like this is just a minor bump in the road is hilarious. But… it’s your goto move in stating how solid Russia’s economy is just like whataboutism is on anyone pointing to your man crush’s large number of failings Moe.

I'm providing you very measured and practical responses, and you are providing childish ad hominem attacks and corporate media and White House propaganda... the same people that were peddling Russiagate, COVID nonsense, vaccine nonsense, January 6th, Hunter Biden lies, Snake Island and Ghost of Kyiv. I just don't understand the logic (or emotion) behind some of this.

 

[volgr]

First off they agreed via contract to be paid in other currency.

Dishonesty or ignorance? Here, I know you know the answer as to why they can't be paid in the stipulated currency. So, dishonesty it is.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

First off they agreed via contract to be paid in other currency. But we know how Putin views contracts

Butwhatabout…

Isn’t it great how you can rationalize how Pootin just tosses contracts and agreements out on a whim for expediency Moe? I mean I guess you have to because that’s the only way you can continue to defend his actions.

The West voided the agreements with their sanctions. The West started this.

 

[allvol123]

Russia economy doing so well, they are going to hide it from everyone. Lol.

Russia Blocks Economic Data, Hiding Effect of Western Sanctions

 

[NorthDallas40]

The West voided the agreements with their sanctions. The West started this.

LMAO of course they did Moe

The sanctions are a direct response to Pootin invading Ukraine. He had a very clear path to not getting his idiot ass sanctioned.

The circle jerk goes round and round. Round and round. Round and round…

 

[NorthDallas40]

Russia economy doing so well, there going to hide it from everyone. Lol.

Russia Blocks Economic Data, Hiding Effect of Western Sanctions

Nobody would believe their stellar performance anyway.

 

[allvol123]

Nobody would believe their stellar performance anyway.

A snippet of how well it is going

In recent days, authorities stopped publishing data on government debt, trade statistics and oil produc-tion. The central bank limited the volume of financial information that local banks have to publish regularly while lawmakers are working on a bill banning lenders from sharing data with foreign states.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Dishonesty or ignorance? Here, I know you know the answer as to why they can't be paid in the stipulated currency. So, dishonesty it is.

Oh they’d love to get their hands on US dollars as they could always find someone to launder it for them Larry. So ignorance it is for you

 

[volgr]

Your victim blaming argument and faux outrage

I know you like to spout this non-sense because you don't have coherent arguments...but at the end of this, after all the death, destruction and suffering is over...Russia will control more of Ukraine than if Ukraine had diplomatically worked with Russia before all this started. Call names, make idiotic justifications, make poorly reasoned arguments...but those will be the cold hard facts.